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Re: H.M.S BELFAST DIORAMA.
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2013, 03:26:33 pm »

There was talk a few years back of salvaging WW1/WWII  boats for there steel, something to do with how it was made compared to todays steel and using it.
 
As you say Frank, when pounds, dollars or any currency can be had then even the deep sea dead are disturbed.
 
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2013, 03:37:44 pm »

they remove small amounts of steel from the wrecks of the German WW1 Grand Fleet up in Orkney ( legally someone up there has the salvage rights ) to be used in extremely sensitive radiation detectors for space craft , all steel since the Trinity test ( 1st Nuke test in Nevada ) is contaminated with minuscule  amounts of fall out but its enough to alter readings so the pre WW2 steel is pretty expensive
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2013, 03:44:54 pm »

That's it, couldn't remember why. Thanks for that.
 
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2013, 03:59:23 pm »

Si, I think your dioramas are more poignant and thought
provoking than a pristine model of a ship that was lost in
one of the many wars our various political leaders have
pushed us. I have seen a model of HMS Hood complete with
Royal Marine Bandsmen on the Quarterdeck who all perished.

Just my take on it all

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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2013, 04:09:22 pm »

Thanks Ned, I agree totally. I look at it this way, people go and visit a loved ones grave so, in my way, it's sharing with others the grave marker of those that perished. After all, those that died at sea and their ships are hidden in dark depths with only a small dive time now and again visiting. My models are there all the time.
 
Besides, the main reason is that I enjoy doing sunken ships, and if you enjoy something why stop? I am in no way mocking the deeds or the men that sailed the oceans thinking that their cause was the correct one, just bringing into the light that is normally hidden in the depths.
 
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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2013, 04:20:45 pm »

PART 5
 
Some more paint effects on the ship, also the board has been painted, ship in situ, funnel and crane added as have some sand effects to bury/build up around the ship and debris. Once dry the sand will painted, rust staining added to sea floor and around the debris.
 
The holes in board is due to fact that I ran out of MDF board and used a backing from a clip frame, all I could find. Being rather impatient I used this, I'm not bothered and will fill in the holes later.

 
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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2013, 05:41:11 pm »

Final flourish with the paint. Added some beige, coral colour with a hint of green just to add something for the eye to notice on the sea floor. Also added some rust staining around the debris and ship. The bare board area is for a plaque.
 
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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2013, 09:21:26 pm »

You have hidden depths  O0

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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2013, 09:54:36 pm »

Cheers Dave,  :}
 
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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2013, 10:25:11 pm »

I saw a painting in a book about painting. It was an item where the painter had taken a WW2 model plane (single prop with Tiger Teeth?) and made a basic diorama to fulfil his subject to paint. The painting was a submerged plane in shallow coral waters with a couple of Tiger Sharks knocking about. In this case the plane was quite clean but damaged. It was a wonderful picture and would make a really neat diorama. Quite colourful too.

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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2013, 10:48:28 pm »

Sounds like 'The Flying Tigers' American volunteers group in China flying P40 Warhawks with Shark teeth and eyes on the nose of the aircraft.
 
May have a go if I could source some small scale Tiger Sharks...thing is, do you think I could pull it off...you know what I am like for rust!
 
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« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2013, 06:10:12 am »


 Hi geoff.
            if I can find the article I think the Govt sold the rights to two WWI warships and some scap dealers used explosives to get the props off them.  And as per usual when $$ is involved the double standard is applied.   
 
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  Hi Geoff.
     
 he is the article for you to muse over THREAT TO HMS CRESSY HMS HOGUE AND HMS ABOUKIR
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=169306
 
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« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2013, 07:38:56 pm »

you know what I am like for rust!

That''ll be the tin leg

It was the bright colours and the shallowness that I thought would be a nice challenge for you. I also thought a local aquarium shop might have a broken coral piece or two. I think you could pull it off ... no not the tin leg ... oops

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« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2013, 12:45:25 pm »

Lol, having a search for materials, cheap. Have you seen how much a real piece of coral is going for! May have to make some, looking at using pumice stone.
 
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« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2013, 11:03:19 pm »

http://industriamechanika.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=2


might help with any plans you have.... 1:35th tho so you might need to upscale a little
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« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2013, 11:16:44 pm »

Why thank you for that, looks good. However, I have been experimenting with a bathroom sponge with the tough scrubby type top and the softer sponge underneath-by spray painting it the sponge goes hard and looks like rough coral. I shall dabble more.
 
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« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2013, 03:37:08 pm »

Very very cool! What a fantastic idea, like the texturing in particular.  :-))
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« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2013, 03:52:46 pm »

Thanks mate, glad you like it.
 
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« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2013, 11:43:08 pm »

I like these dioramas but I set that aside and thought seriously about what Geoff said. I guess my own thought on it is this ... No one finds anything wrong with modelling the axis warships and submarines that sank everything from The Hood to tugs, merchantmen and passenger ships. That said, modelling one of our own losses, and done respectfully, seems the better option to me.

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« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2013, 12:01:17 am »

Hi Dave, unsure what you're saying. Doing a sunken wreck of one of our ships is a no, no, while doing a sunken U-boat is acceptable.
 
I feel that my models are respectful to the men who fought and died for their cause. I mean, many people make model submarines and RC U-boats, should they not make them as there crews were under a regime that our Grandfathers fought against?
 
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« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2013, 08:54:56 am »

My Grandfather was an acomplished modelmaker (And fought in Africa for under Rommel) and used to make dioramas.  His dioramas depicted the aftermath of battle and were quite unpleasant to some people.
His stock response was "you all love tanks and guns, I'm just showing what they are capable of" From what I can tell (He never spoke much about that time) the dioramas were "edited for TV" compared to what he actually saw.
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« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2013, 01:50:34 pm »

Hi
Sorry I wasn't clear there. What I meant was that if it is ok to model a U boat that actually did do damage to our shipping and seamen then surely modelling one of our own is absolutely fine ... Respectfully of course. I really like your dioramas.  O0

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« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2013, 02:10:04 pm »

Sorry Dave, probably me not reading the post correctly, it was late as I had a disability flare up and was waiting for the meds to kick in.
 
I have a USS Skipjack sub to do as USS Scorpion, just trying to figure out how to do her on the ocean floor, pictures are sketchy to the condition of her.
 
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« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2013, 11:43:08 pm »


 
You know, every time I look at this picture I want a choccy bar...looks like the model has been dipped in runny chocolate...or maybe it's just me  :o
 
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« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2013, 12:16:49 am »

You sound a bit 'Flakey' there, and stop that 'Snickering' too.   :D

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