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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #225 on: May 13, 2014, 02:59:21 PM »

Geoff.......would be very interested in seeing some images of the steam power plant for your HMS Canopus

[I am in the middle of a 10 year steam setup/assembly build]....as below......Derek

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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #226 on: May 13, 2014, 08:59:17 PM »

Well I hope to see you on the Saturday, should be a good weekend.


I've been spraying the hull to give an impression of a Victorian battleship at a distance at sea with the traditional Victorian paint work. But I run out of red oxide and only bought one back with me to work where I'm spraying-boo!
However the black and white bits look brilliant even though there is still some work to be done!
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #227 on: May 14, 2014, 01:36:46 PM »

I'm not certain if I have any good pictures of the steam plant layout for Canopus but will see if I can find some for viewing.
 
The layout was not difficult as it was really all contolled as to where the boiler funnel has to be because of the structure of the ship. With Canopus and a version one Puffin boiler the fore funnel was used which meant the bulk of the boiler was aft. This left a small space in front for the burner (poker type) and gas canister. With the gas canister central I put the oil separator next to it and just touching it to keep the gas warm. In practice this works very well and after use the tank was warm but no way hot. This keeps the gas pressure up.
 
If there was any complexity it was in constructing a gear box to provide contra rotating shafts. This was a 2mm brass plate with 4cm brass tubes acting as the bearings. You will need 4 gears all the same size to get contra rotating props. There is no reduction gearing as this is not needed with steam. Revolutions are quite low so the gears are really silent.
 
As a sad update to all this the boiler failed the pressure test and there would appear to be a small leak. A friend is looking at it to see if can be repaired so at the moment Canopus has no motive power!
 
Having said this she was originally electric powered so I am re-installing the electric propulsion so she should be working for Wicksteed later this month.
 
Anybody know a good replacement source for a boiler?

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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #229 on: May 15, 2014, 08:50:22 PM »

Hi Tghsmith


Thanks for the link, looks amazingly clear considering it's age. The last one you recommended was just as good. It's surprising what you can see in the photo!
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #230 on: May 15, 2014, 09:33:46 PM »

I've set some of these on a light box and using the microscope setting on my digital camera taken photos of just sections and details can be incredable,, same seller has a few more you may be interested in..
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #231 on: May 15, 2014, 09:38:59 PM »

I'll have a good look at the others, all I can say is that I wish I had them earlier, stunning detail.
Thanks for putting me on to this wonderful pictures
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« Reply #232 on: May 20, 2014, 08:30:11 PM »

Hi RFA, found some pics on the net, thought you might like them if you do not have them already.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #233 on: May 21, 2014, 07:30:11 PM »

Thank you Dodes for the pictures as they say on a popular supermarket advert
Every little helps! :-))

Might see you at the mayhem weekend this year? I hope so it's nice to have a talk with you and Bob.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #234 on: May 24, 2014, 08:43:04 PM »

Hi everyone


Managed to find some pictures of the initial paint spray, run out of red and still looking for a stockist of Humbrol 20 Crimson acrylic spray cans. Hannants, my usual supplier can't send aerosol cans through the post anymore!








Sailed at the mayhem weekend with Royal Navy sistership Caesar, escorted by HMS Kent and IJN Yoshino, hopefully more tomorrow. :-))



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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #235 on: May 25, 2014, 08:28:54 PM »



 Hannants, my usual supplier can't send aerosol cans through the post anymore!




Nobody can, new postal regs, but they can use a courier. Slightly more expensive but you do get your paint!
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #236 on: May 26, 2014, 08:49:07 PM »

Thanks Dougal99


Just got some on its way via courier from eBay, ordered more than what's required- just incase!
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« Reply #237 on: June 01, 2014, 06:29:38 PM »

Hi everyone


I got my delivery of paint on Wednesday and decided to paint the lower hull with the new Humbrol 20 Crimson acrylic spray can. I got a surprising good coverage and only used one can on top of the one I used before the mayhem weekend.


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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #238 on: June 01, 2014, 06:55:26 PM »

That looks like a top class finish Nick. :-)) Graham
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #239 on: June 04, 2014, 08:58:39 PM »

Thanks Graham


Hopefully this weekend she'll receive her white waterline, as thin as possible of course, to keep with the Victorian colour scheme
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« Reply #240 on: June 04, 2014, 09:26:38 PM »

She's looking great Nick.  Sorry I missed Mayhem this year
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #241 on: June 04, 2014, 09:45:27 PM »

Hi Bob


It's good to hear from you, and yes I'm pretty pleased with the paint job so far. You were certainly missed at Mayhem this year hope to see you at Ron's open day in September. How's your Polythemus going at the moment, love to see her operational :-))
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« Reply #242 on: June 04, 2014, 10:09:15 PM »

Sad to miss Mayhem, especially with the Victorian fleet.  Must admit not much boat building lately, other priorities intervene.  Polyphemus will be completed.  I am even daft enough to consider building a scale Novgorod to see if I can make a circular battleship steer. (Unlike the original ship!)

In my view the Majestics were a modellers pinnacle of the era.  Bristling with armament and tons of detail.  Quite unlike the 3 type 45's I saw in Portsmouth over the weekend, which may be technically wonderful warships but so plain and weird looking.
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« Reply #243 on: June 04, 2014, 10:22:23 PM »

That'll be interesting to see, I've just been ready about imperial Russian warships, there are some truly amazing but odd designs.
I think I remember seeing a model in the Chatham a Model storage building when I visited there last year, I'll see if I can find the pictures.
The problem with today's ships and aircraft is the need for stealth which leads to plain and sometimes ugly or just plain weird warships and angular bulky flying wings for aircraft, I might be working one day on one of the new stealth aircraft but that depends on a lot of things going my way!


I'll look forward to seeing Polythemus sailing, I suppose the Victorians thought the same of her when she was revealed compared to the type 45s of today.

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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #244 on: June 29, 2014, 07:10:55 PM »

Well it's been a little while but I have been busy with the Prince George.
However...

I'm now waiting for a delivery of a new type of 2mm wide masking tape via everyone's favourite auction site...

The reason?

My white line for my plimsole line is not shall we say as regular as I would like!  :embarrassed:
So I've sanded down my first attempt and resprayed the white and now waiting for the fore mentioned masking aid. Never mind, in the mean time I've been practicing my plank laying with caulking on a little side line project used specifically to test this before I attempt it on my flag ship model! Hopefully you'll see both soon!

Until next weekend... :-))
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« Reply #245 on: June 29, 2014, 07:44:05 PM »

I experienced that problem on Aziz. My solution was before any painting of the hull put a thin white pinstripe from Halfords along the waterline. I then painted top and bottom masking roughly down the center of the pinstripe ( it doesn't matter if paint gets on the stripe). When finished, use 1200 line wet & dry carefully rub the paint off the pinstripe. The paint ends up perfectly level with the surface of the pinstripe with perfect sharp edges.  However there is a little dulling of the paint adjacent to the stripe and also on the stripe but this can be cut back with T-Cut. Finally, cover the lot with clear laquer , satin gloss or matt whichever your preference.  The only failing is that it doesn't work on large overhangs as the stripe should progressively increase in width in these areas. It should be ok with your particular model.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #246 on: July 07, 2014, 10:54:28 PM »

Hi Jerry


Many thanks for the advice, sounds like something I'll be using in the future on other models. I got the 2mm wide masking tape on Friday and seems to be sufficiently tacky enough to stay on and sealed but removable with out much residue left on the painted surface. Hopefully next weekend will see the results of my painting and masking skills :}
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #247 on: August 30, 2014, 05:10:02 PM »

Hi everyone


The little break is over, now I'm painting the hull with the traditional black that Victorian era warships were painted in. The white lines are masked off, I've done a little check to see what it'll look like and it's suitably accurate!
I've been researching since July and found these pictures from the late 1890s featured in the Navy Sketch paper, stunning quality pictures and the detail is amazing. The stern walk picture is fantastic but I bought a CD from 'through their eyes' which has photos from a Royal Navy captains scrapbook.


















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« Reply #248 on: August 30, 2014, 07:48:00 PM »

Don't the guns look stout! Definitly very victorian. Keep up the good work....
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« Reply #249 on: August 30, 2014, 11:31:44 PM »

Nick...does the text describe what the largish two wheeled pull along barrows were used for?......

The example to the left of the image appears to have a centre hinged set of doors, whereas the example on the right has a largish round component ....but projectiles for the guns would certainly be too heavy  for manual lifting

There are also a group of sailors kneeling down on the left or PORT side of the barrows.....so maybe maintenance barrows?.....

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