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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #250 on: August 31, 2014, 09:54:29 AM »

It looks like the vehicle on the right is a limber for the one on the left. I cannot confirm just yet, but it may be a limber and caisson for the gun of a landing party such as took part in the Boer war. The ring may surround a pintle that accepts the towing ring on a gun carriage, and while quite large, the box body is definitly large and stout enough to carry shells and charge bags.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #251 on: August 31, 2014, 11:04:35 AM »

I was just going to answer when my ipad died on me! >>:-(  Battery charged now! :}


Yes I think it's probably a limber for the field guns sometimes carried on board by the a Royal Marine detachment. Brian King modelled his HMS Magnificent and Victoria with some field artillery on the quarter deck. Or at least something like that anyway!


Any one got any ideas? Please feel free to post your ideas :-)
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #252 on: August 31, 2014, 03:03:30 PM »

Are you going to fit artillery equipment aboard your ship?
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #253 on: August 31, 2014, 07:50:06 PM »

Hi Chaps,


The smaller wheeled carriage with the ring, was for Nordenfelt or guns. These were detachable and removed from the deck mountings when needed. The large box shaped limber, is for the 1"ammunition cases for the shore party Nordenfelt guns.


This was a common practice throughout the late Victorian era, both as a training and peace keeping exercise, when in colonial or slightly unfriendly ports.


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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #254 on: August 31, 2014, 09:16:50 PM »

Excellent! I can see this equipment being broken down a'la the gun run (minus the assault course) and stowed away quick smart with Victorian thoroughness! Thanks for your insight Ian:O)
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #255 on: September 01, 2014, 07:38:16 PM »

Sorry, I forgot to add the following.... (was for Nordenfelt or) Maxim pattern (guns.)

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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #256 on: September 01, 2014, 08:02:22 PM »

Hi Ian
I like the idea of having some Nordenfelts on the quarter deck, I've got some brilliant pictures of a Nordenfelt fitted to HMS Gannet. And of course the challenge of making them in 1/96 adds to the fun. :-))
Thanks for confirming what they were.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #257 on: September 01, 2014, 09:13:57 PM »

Thanks Ken,


They didn't show in my post reply message......don't know where they came from?


Nick, there are plenty of images on the T'internet, of all the various Marine shore limbers and light guns  deployed.


http://www.victorianshipmodels.com/antitorpedoboatguns/Nordenfelt/nordenfeltgaller.html (very good info here).


I think the Majestic's used a mixture of Nordenfelt and Maxim types for close in defence weapons, depends on the ship and year you model her/it


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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #258 on: September 01, 2014, 09:27:15 PM »

Given the number of automatic guns like the Nordenfelt, Gardner guns serving in the Navy, I can see why ships might have any combination of these weapons along with rotary cannon like the Hotchkiss and Gatling. The French used some whoppers right up to a 57mm Rotary cannon!
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #259 on: September 01, 2014, 09:27:57 PM »

Thanks Ian


That's one useful and brilliant link to light weapons in the Victorian era, can't say I can't make one or two  now for the Prince George. I'm building her in her early commission from 1896.


I'm currently building the central superstructure/citadel skinning the internal walls with thin plastic card.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #260 on: September 01, 2014, 10:02:14 PM »

Agreed....brilliant images ...explains a lot...........I had no idea that a battleship would be used for transport of such ordnance........Derek
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #261 on: September 01, 2014, 10:19:40 PM »

It makes ense as the naval contingents bcame straight off warships and so mwould use weapons unshipped to support their shore actions. Captain Percy Scott was a legand when it came to designing carriages to carry 12pounders and 4 inch guns for land service. I think he had some involvement in WW1 but will have to confirm that.

To be honest Nick, unless you plan to display Magnificent at shows, I don' see it necessary to make and fit land carriages; attractive tough they are.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #262 on: September 01, 2014, 10:38:04 PM »

Well I suppose I'm just a nutter who likes adding things to my model that really aren't necessary! :D
I'll definitely build one and leave it in the spares box for when it's needed!
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #263 on: September 18, 2014, 11:11:34 PM »

Hi everyone


Started work on the superstructure detailing, all the exposed fibreglass was covered with thin plastic card before detailing began. I've made the 6inch gun emplacements from 0.75mm plastic card using a hair dryer to gently curve the subtle corners as per the NMM drawings, not easy when the first one took me all Saturday afternoon!
The doors are the fittings supplied by Deans Marine and look good in position on the emplacements. I filed off the raised detail on the superstructure sides and used the etched brass 4.7inch gun bay doors also supplied in the updated kit by Deans Marine. I've decided to model them closed but I drilled out the hole for the gun barrel and test fitted the 4.7inch guns in place.














I found these pictures on the internet of the Mikasa (half sister to the Majestics), these are the 4.7inch QF guns and are very similar to the layout of the Majestic class- I hope!





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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #264 on: September 19, 2014, 09:50:46 AM »

Those Mikasa pictures are amazing! The ship was heavily stripped before, during and after the war and the story goes that the fittings used in the restoration came from HMS Canada which was being broken up nearby. Whether that includes these guns I don't know, but they certainly look the part.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #265 on: September 19, 2014, 03:47:12 PM »

I love those pictures of the Mikasa gun deck. Keep up the good work and pictures of progress. :-)) Graham
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #266 on: September 20, 2014, 01:37:01 PM »

I must admit that I had never searched for images of Mikasa before considering that she is a close relative to the Majestics. I think they were on Flickr by a chap who had visited the ship, I'm using them keeping in mind what Victorian has said.
Just filed down the 6inch gun emplacement doors to wafer thickness, they look so much better for the effort.
Just bought two pictures of Prince George just after her being fitted out at Portsmouth, there is a picture in RA Burt's book of the quarter deck of the Magnificent with the Prince George in the background, I think theses pictures are the next in the sequence as they show her bow on and from the starboard beam.


Hopefully she'll look more complete in time for the Warwick show! See you there Graham  :-))
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #267 on: September 29, 2014, 02:05:27 PM »

Thankyou for sharing the images of Mikasa Nick. I did not realise that there were any ships of the era left apart from Potemkin so it is good to know that there are a few physical references still available to study.

Keep up the good work, she will be a beaut!!
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #268 on: October 01, 2014, 05:34:33 PM »

Hi Ian


Glad you like them, I've got a few more postcards/photo documents of the Majestic class coming soon, the paint job on hull was restarted because I wasn't happy with it but last weekend it has turned in to a lovely paint job which I am more than happy with- so far!
I've been detailing the inside of the superstructure with plastic card and strip, built a toilet block for the seamen and petty officers, the conning tower, the officer's WC and the 6inch gun emplacements are all fitted but later found out that the toilet blocks are hidden behind screens- only found this out after some studying of the original ship's drawings. Hopefully she'll look the part for warwick in 5 weeks time. Pictures to come this weekend.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #269 on: October 01, 2014, 11:32:24 PM »

Ooh, yes please:O)
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #270 on: October 06, 2014, 08:18:01 PM »

A bit later than expected!!! But here are some of the pictures of the superstructure build so far...











Since I am building a 1896 as built vessel I'm having to pre-mod the flying bridge relocating it back from the conning tower roof to the fore mast. Which means a lot of work and drilling extra holes for the mast to pass through. I have replaced the wooden dowel supplied in the kit with a brass tube (7/16" or 11.1mm dia) but used the kit supplied flying bridge plastic card print out detailing the underside with plastic strut as per the NMM drawings. The fighting tops are as per the kit drilled out to fit the mast and the white metal casting you see on top of the fore mast is the kit supplied starfish platform.


And if you look carefully in the last picture you'll be able to see the conning tower base, seaman's toilet blocks on the starboard side, all but very little will be visible- I must be mad!
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« Reply #271 on: October 06, 2014, 09:20:01 PM »

Nope, just dedicated! What a fine onlm smeech for the cre manning the Conning tower, having their shipmates lunch parked near by:O/
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #272 on: October 07, 2014, 05:55:27 PM »

Looking good! Don't forget to make the vision slots in the conning towers as sometimes I have seen this missed off.
 
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« Reply #273 on: October 07, 2014, 07:58:25 PM »

Looking very good Nick, all the attention to detail will pay off in the finished model! The edge detail on the flying bridge looks very sharp.


Good to catch up at Wicksteed on Sunday,


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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #274 on: October 07, 2014, 08:46:21 PM »

Nick, what is the sleek looking hull behind Prince George? Is it a torpedo boat??
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