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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #150 on: August 07, 2015, 03:33:27 PM »

You might find advantageous to invest in staple gun, not a desk one but a heavy duty one, to fix the planks to the frame; it really does speed things up. the staples can be removed when the glue has dried.

I use this: http://www.screwfix.com/p/stanley-heavy-duty-staple-gun/62930

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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #151 on: August 10, 2015, 04:48:22 PM »

Thanks for the information LB.  I had looked at pins and nails and clamps, and I have found the straight forward method of clamping in place works well and allows for errors and I have no extra holes to fill in.


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I got hold of some 4 X 2 strips and then got them cut down to 2 X 2 and trimmed so that they were as straight as anyone could ask for.  Then secured them to the sides and cut sections for the ends and along the middle so that there is a cross support beam every 2 feet.  So the build board should remain flat for this build at least.


Op over and I am black and blue with bruises and wish the pain would go away.  But the days are getting better and back on the planking again.  Have completed one side up to the water line and now working on the other side.  She really is taking shape and looks good.  Post photos when she is planked to the water line.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #152 on: August 10, 2015, 08:31:15 PM »

Thanks for the information Paul. Seeing you chaps do this sort of thing really gives me the confidence to start my cruiser.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #153 on: August 12, 2015, 06:18:42 PM »

Well thats the planking done to the water line.  Must now seal the inside with glue or varnish to ensure all the cracks have been sealed before I rub down and get ready for the top coat of jell
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #154 on: August 12, 2015, 06:20:56 PM »

The final test was to mount the floor to the model to ensure it fits.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #155 on: August 12, 2015, 09:37:08 PM »

Lovely work Paul!
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #156 on: August 12, 2015, 11:54:11 PM »

Thanks Ian, I think I have done not bad for my first attempt and my fourth build.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #157 on: August 21, 2015, 01:53:31 PM »


The next part of the build before I finished off the planking from the deck down to the water line was to cut out the landing deck and position with all the spoon decks in place.  So my first idea was to find some place who could photo copy the ship lines and reproduce a full scale deck image and then I could get that printed out and transferred to to the planks of 1.5 mm beech marine ply.  No such luck, no one around me had a copier to cover the 8 foot plans.  So I tried joining together 7 sheets of tracing paper and then copied the deck straight from the NMM plans.  Worked out ok but felt there was too many possibilities of errors.  Any way tried it and then transferred the  copy to my wood with carbon paper and a 0.01mm marker.   The plan came out ok but made the one error that scuttled the drawing.  The mistake I made was to draw a centre line down the center of my ply and then started to transfer the drawing from the stern forward.   When I got to the area of the Island which as you all know is on the starboard side I found that I had no ply to transfer my overhang and gun deck overhangs in the area front and rear of the island.  So as I had two set of the ply for both ships I am building I measured the distance from the centre line on the ship plan to the extreme on the port side and found the distance was 150cm. So using the left side of the deck ply I measured 150cm and redraw my centre line using the very edge of the ply as the outer edge of the deck on the port side and thus saving some cutting time and leaving more space for the overhang on the starboard side.


I also cut out the four spoon decks and fitted them to the hull frames to ensure the deck lined up.   Once the deck had been cut I placed on the hull and checked.  Some slight adjustment required but on the whole it fitted fine.  So to check if the spoon deck were correct fitted the gun turrets to check if the height was correct.  Also fitted the island to give an impression of the hull deck.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #158 on: August 21, 2015, 02:49:41 PM »

That is going to be some thing very special indeed. I admire your workmanship and patience :-)) :-)) :-))
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #159 on: August 21, 2015, 08:28:24 PM »

Blooming heck, that is a complicated piece to mark and cut. I suppose there was not other way the deck could have been designed given the need for an unobstructed flight deck.

Excellent Paul.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #160 on: August 22, 2015, 11:28:00 AM »

I didn't know those decks were known as Spoon Decks :embarrassed:
 
We learn something new with each and every build thread on here - great stuff.
 
...and your build is coming along nicely :-))
 
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #161 on: August 23, 2015, 12:33:31 AM »

Thanks for your kind comments spooksgone, I hope to do her name proud and make the very best model of her size and type from that period.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #162 on: August 23, 2015, 12:34:51 AM »

Yes Ray, we learn a lot from the site and also from reading loads of books on the ships of the RN and of their traditions.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #163 on: August 23, 2015, 12:36:05 AM »

Looked at lots of ways to make this deck and found that two straight cuts was the best rather then three four and more to make the deck look correct.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #164 on: August 24, 2015, 09:21:54 PM »

Very nice  :-))

Not sure if I mentioned this before or you already know about it:-

http://www.armouredcarriers.com/

All the best
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #165 on: August 25, 2015, 06:27:10 PM »

Hi Sandy,  Thanks for your kind words and the link, I think she is looking good now and when the hull has been fully planked and the deck is trimmed to fit she will really look the bees knees.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #166 on: August 29, 2015, 05:37:12 PM »

I didn't know those decks were known as Spoon Decks :embarrassed:
 
We learn something new with each and every build thread on here - great stuff.
 
...and your build is coming along nicely :-))
 
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Wee correction the deck are actually named sponson gun decks.  Sorry for the error.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #167 on: August 29, 2015, 09:44:44 PM »

I think you can be forgiven:O)
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #168 on: August 29, 2015, 11:53:11 PM »

Glad I didn't mention it at the Boat club then...could have been rather embarrassing :embarrassed:
 
Thanks for the correction - Phew, that was a close one :-))
 
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #169 on: September 19, 2015, 11:26:41 PM »

Well the hull has now been planked with the exception of the bow to the front sponson gun decks.  I have to work out how to mount the front 40" searchlight platforms and then plank the remainder of the bow.  Will post pictures of the work done later.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #170 on: September 22, 2015, 05:49:04 PM »

Well so far so good.  Needed to work out how to mount the 40" front search light platform at the bow and then work out how the final under section of the bow tied in.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #171 on: September 22, 2015, 09:24:48 PM »

She has lovely curves Paul. It seems a shame to clutter her form with guns and the island.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #172 on: October 03, 2015, 04:52:49 PM »

Update on the build, started to rub down the hull and have now installed the two outer propshafts and all the sponson gun decks have been installed.  So just taking my time to rub down the hull with 120 grit paper at the moment and then will move to a fine grade to finish off.   Then once winter is over the resin and glass fibre matting will done. 


Question:  Should I cut out all the deck side openings before I resin or after?


Made small inserts for the balance weights to sit in and these will be bonded into the hull under the deck floor in between the bulkheads,  which holds the motors.  Photos attached of the idea and see how it works out.


The last part of the hull is causing me a problem as the last photo shows.  The hull has to meet the overhang of the front sponson gundeck walk way to the bow and also match and meet the trailing edge of the 40 inch search light platform.   Just not sure how this is going to work out.
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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #173 on: October 03, 2015, 07:03:49 PM »

Eek! I would suggest forming thin play around with cutouts for the platform, or use quite thick balsa plank and carve/sand the curves into the piece. But not having come to such  a problem yet, I have not tried out either method.

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Re: HMS Illustrious 87
« Reply #174 on: October 24, 2015, 04:13:39 PM »

Well guys I have resolved the bow problem with the aid of balsa wood inserts cut and shaped then rubbed down to march the curve of the hull and bow.   So with winter now fast approaching the the garage space has now been taken up with the trailer tent so limited to doing any more work on the hull till next year so will now revert to doing some detail work on the inner decks and making moulds of equipment needed to make the model alive. 


I have 8 more 4.5 gun turrets to make cranes and aerials, lockers and two working lifts for the deck.   Also a securing method to secure the the landing deck.


So will keep you posted on these areas. 
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