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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2014, 05:45:35 PM »

Got to be some serious friction/binding in that periscope raising system if a 385 (which in itself is overkill for raising scopes) can't manage.

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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2014, 05:48:41 PM »

Piston tanks were next for an inspection, no problems found so greased and bolted back together. The Ballast Tank Control Board was and is a concern to me. It looks to be less than splash proof. So, one clear plastic box full of chocolate later, I had a splash proof cover..mind you, it didn't fit in the model at this stage.
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2014, 05:52:02 PM »

Got to be some serious friction/binding in that periscope raising system if a 385 (which in itself is overkill for raising scopes) can't manage.

On reflection it could have been the mechanism full of old grease and dust. I had problems with the retract mechanism just the other day, after standing idle for some ( considerable! ) time. This freed up with a bit of PTFE loaded light oil and half a dozen cycles in and out. So I may be re-motoring the mechanism again soon..also the 480 motor is a bit too long so it may have to go anyway.
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2014, 05:57:47 PM »

The Caterpillar drive needs to be a bit more 'Star Trek' and a little less 'Barn Door', so the big rectangular doors of the movie variant have to go. I opted for circular inlets and outlets, to be lit with a Vellmann RGB Light Controller. This can drive three independent lighting circuits, up to 3 amps each, in a number of cool sequences. So the decision was made to fit ultrabright LEDs encapsulated in turned clear acrylic holders. three per holder, two forward and two aft. Doesn't really contribute to the mechanical engineering side of model submarines, but it does look cool in the dark :-))
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2014, 06:39:17 PM »

Flash git... ;D




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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2014, 07:59:09 PM »

Its done now, but I would have just bolted the Perspex/polycab lid direct to the top of the WTbox, and forgone the 8mm laminated sheet. Its plenty tough even with the metal bars removed. You might find Red October will sit fairly low in the water when surfaced.

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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2014, 01:52:44 PM »

Good point I hadn't considered, still its well and truly fitted now.
I have just finished making a couple of 3 position switch circuits for the F14 radio, consisting of a variable 10K potentiometer and two 6.8K resistors per switcher. One for hydroplanes and one for the periscopes.
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2014, 01:55:46 PM »

Blu Tac is my friend.
All that remains is to select the switches for the functions and attach to the set.
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2014, 02:17:43 PM »

Star Trek style  lighting for the Caterpillar Drive. Consisting of three LED lights per acrylic fitting, one in each corner of the sub. The LEDs were counter bored into the acrylic, then encapsulated with epoxy. All electrical connections were also encapsulated. The acrylic fittings are push fit into the inlet/outlet tubes to help any air escape out and away from the tubes.
The Bow Thruster graphic on the face helps to distract the viewer from looking dirctly into three LEDs and helps with the pulsing effect visible from the ends of the model.
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2014, 02:37:47 PM »

all you need now are some tri coloured leds to confuse you ?
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2014, 02:45:12 PM »

Now THAT would cause me some confusion....
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2014, 05:25:40 PM »

Back to the external modifications.
I decided to move the entire sail back to accommodate the extra six missile doors mentioned in both the book and the film. This would unbalance the look of the four escape pods that flank the sail. Easiest fix..add two more aft of the existing four!
The space left in front of the sail was filled with fibreglass sheet, and the whole lot was faired in with filler. Then I etched the extra six missile doors into the gelcoat, four extra aft and two forward.
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2014, 05:32:39 PM »

Then came the brutal bit, I decided to streamline Red October while at the same time adding the outlets for the stealthy Magnetohydrodynamic Drive Thrusters :-)) .
This involved removing the classic Typhoon tail fins back to the hull, while adding a bit of surface detail to the hull at the same time. the resulting holes in the hull becoming my drive outlets, once filled and faired in.
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2014, 05:33:21 PM »

That's really looking good now, skip...keep on keeping on with it.


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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2014, 05:38:38 PM »

Cheers, much more to follow...including......

Next job was free flood holes in the top of the casing. I decided to drop in 26 Billing plastic portholes strategically into the missile door hinge points. Looking just like I imagined it in the book.
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2014, 05:45:07 PM »

Bridge windows in the sail were filed out with Permagrit needle files, most chuffed with that bit. The towed sonar array perched on top of the rudder needed to be better looking than the ones seen in the film, especially on the full size mock up, quite unpleasant!
Fortunately, my fellow Display Team member, John, was able to produce a silicone mold from a 1/24 scale Harrier droptank, suitably detailed then fitted and faired in, I was very happy with the result.
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2014, 05:48:17 PM »

Final filling and fairing job involved the stealth drives inlets at the bow. Using masking tape layered, then filler up to the tape a sanded smooth, I was able to incorporate a bit of surface detailing.
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2014, 06:00:39 PM »

Nick nacks and stuff next. I added grab rails all down the length of the model, along with panel detail consisting of Scotch Diamond Tape panels, squares and rectangles randomly fitted here and about. Also I had started playing with one of these fast cure silicone compounds you mash together like Milliput, and then force over whatever you want to replicate. I got carried away :-)
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2014, 06:04:45 PM »

Some of my cast 'additions' included bits from a 1/16 KV-1 Tank, domes cast out of a Stabilit Express mixing bowl, and various strange combinations of bits of plastic, metal etc from my spares box.
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2014, 06:10:28 PM »

Following on from my success etching the extra missile doors into the gelcoat, I then got carried away. I decided to decorate the surface with much panel detail. Straight edges, squares, circles, ovals etc. Using a set of etched metal patterns for plastic kit work, and a scribe designed for panel line restoration on kits, I got stuck in. I found the panel line scribing tool was of little use on gelcoat, however a three sided scraper and sailcloth needles were pressed into service and proved very effective. Most of this detail doesn't show up on these photos, but will become apparent later.
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2014, 06:17:52 PM »

Mystery object on the foredeck of Red October. A DSRV from bits of wood and scrap out of the scrap box, an interesting side project.
Also the time had arrived to primer the model. The etched detail is a little bit more visible now.

With the model primered, the destruction painting could begin!
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #46 on: July 31, 2014, 05:36:58 PM »

while all this painting and scribing malarky was going on, I also had to consider the colour scheme for the model. Options ranged from the movie scheme, through authentic Typhoon schemes, via colours used during the Great Patriotic War. My only option was time wasted on the PC...
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #47 on: July 31, 2014, 05:49:12 PM »

The last image won in the end, a mix of movie sub and authentic Soviet waterline pinstriping.

The weathering was, as usual, made up on the fly. This model using 'pre-shading', one of those techniques with cool names, first used by the plastic kit brigade, then hijacked by everyone else.
The plan being to darken areas of the model, panel lines and the like, BEFORE applying the top coats. The intention being to provide a subtle variation of shades, emphasising the details of the sub...well that was the plan anyway...

I started with a dark grey, thinned down wash of enamel paint. Enamels giving me a longer working time than acrylics. they can also be 'chased' into the detail with a thinners loaded brush, adding to the flexibility of the effect. This dark grey was applied with not too much subtlety, in a generally downward direction all over the sub. Building up the detail until the little voice in your head says "Stop!"
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2014, 05:52:57 PM »

With side one done, it was time to turn the sub round for side two. Remembering to try and keep the effects roughly the same port and starboard.
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Re: Red October, as seen in the novel of the same name.
« Reply #49 on: July 31, 2014, 06:04:00 PM »

Once suitably vandalised with the washes of colour, I 'Pin Washed' ( another one of those cool terms, meaning, get a pointy brush and wick colour right into your panel lines, nice and dark. ) any details I wanted to stand out sharply with a slightly thinned black.
Final job was to cut back some of the heavier washes. Deciding what was too much was achieved with a cup of tea and a biscuit, while examining the model with a critical eye. Then out with my trusty fine sponge sanding block and abrade back the heaviest of the weathering. This has the effect of removing the most obvious brush marks, or at least, disguising them.
Also I have placed one of my trusty stencil tools against the model in one photo. These were used to add extra detail to the gelcoat surface of the model.
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