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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #175 on: March 21, 2016, 06:15:53 AM »

Looking good Ray , :-))
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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #176 on: March 21, 2016, 07:36:21 AM »

Hande,
What Stavros is saying, is, once you start applying the primer, you should avoid sanding "wet"
The primer is porous and will retain water even though it looks dry.
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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #177 on: March 21, 2016, 07:59:27 AM »

handy captain fizz has hit the nail on the head.
it may look and feel dry but as soon as the top coat paint hits the surfus it will draw any moisture out hence the fish eyes .
i now dry sand and have learnt my lesson the hard way  <*< lol
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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #178 on: March 21, 2016, 10:32:23 AM »

whoa..!
I would never have known that!
Yet another good reason to join the forum.


Sometimes I feel like trespassing over a mine field.


Yesterday, I gathered all my courage and started with some of the fittings - I will post pics in my build thread soon.


Now, back to Podge's thread. Didn't want to hijack the discussion.. :embarrassed:
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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #179 on: March 21, 2016, 10:50:15 PM »

Thanks for all the input guys - I guess that clarifies what Stavros has been trying to get across to us all this time. O0


Now, back to Podge's thread. Didn't want to hijack the discussion.. :embarrassed:

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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #180 on: March 30, 2016, 07:20:23 AM »

No - they have mooooo-ved on. {-) {-)

Ray.


Ha ha.....


Your doing a top job there Podge, proper nice Wheelhouse.  :-))
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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #181 on: March 30, 2016, 09:59:28 PM »

Yes and smooth priming Ray!

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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #182 on: March 31, 2016, 12:33:22 AM »

My thanks to all for the input to date....

...and now - it's time to confess to an almighty oversight.

Think about this for a moment or two. The inner bulwarks and bulwark supports are to be painted in a yellow colour. The main deck is going to be duck egg blue (not forgetting the yellow for the little bits of bulwark support that show on the outside) How the heck am I supposed to mask that little lot off. {:-{

I guess the answer will be "very carefully" {-)

Also, I couldn't get spray cans near enough to the colours I'm painting so these bits will be done by hand.

So far, I've applied 2 thinned down coats of the yellow. Probably be applying 6 coats in total - then it'll be masking up time in order to paint the main deck.

Hindsight tells me I should have painted the deck BEFORE gluing the bulwark supports on AND the supports should have been painted off the model as well. >>:-(

Hande - take note of this, don't fall into the same trap - it's a real pain in the trossachs.

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Ray.
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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #183 on: March 31, 2016, 06:46:12 AM »

Ooooooh..... But I have an idea, if all the bulwark supports are the same thickness then maybe this will work........


First paint the deck not bothering too much about getting paint on the supports, hand paint or spray. THEN take some aluminium foil like take away tray foil and cut a slot that just fits around a bulwark. It's easy to get a nice cut with a stanly knife and being foil it folds easily for tight areas. You can then mask off the deck with this tool and reasonably quickly hand paint the bulwarks. Being a working boat it doesn't need a high gloss smooth finish that a spray would give.


You could make a few of these and use them alternatively so that way you won't get wet paint running to the underside. Just an idea...... Good luck. U2
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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #184 on: March 31, 2016, 09:58:07 AM »

I did the bulwarks first and then very carefully did the decks around them - no masking at all...... then did the 'easy' parts of the deck. Mind you, mine was a refurbishment and all the deck gear was already in place. Not practical to mask everything, so it took some considerable time and I ended up becoming rather good at careful painting! Luckily I found it very therapeutic.


Next time, I think I'll follow the contents of this thread!  :D
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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #185 on: March 31, 2016, 06:00:21 PM »



Hindsight tells me I should have painted the deck BEFORE gluing the bulwark supports on AND the supports should have been painted off the model as well. >>:-(

Hande - take note of this, don't fall into the same trap - it's a real pain in the trossachs.

Regards,

Ray.


After deliberation I'd decided to do just that, paint the bulwark supports off the build. Like a number of other parts as well. It's the way I have learned to paint models in the old days.


Thank you for thinking about my build! You really are acting a guinea pig for me, aren't you..? I hope, I will have the opportunity to buy you a ... erm... mineral water one day  ok2


Another thing is this "duck egg" colour that Billings is proposing. Never, ever have I seen that colour on a real tug. My experience may be limited, but in my full-size vessel it is a nice looking green almost akin the pool table. I already bought the duck egg paint, but it will likely remain unused.


A hint: I noticed in the pictures of my full-size Smit Finland that the roof edge windows of the wheelhouse are tinted (against sunlight and UV). I got me a transparent blue in the hopes it will look cool on my build  :}


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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #186 on: March 31, 2016, 06:14:01 PM »

As far as the anchors are concerned, what are you planning to do with them? They show in the pictures, where there is, however, no anchor winch present, yet. Mind you, I am not _expecting_ a working winch, but my kit contains the anchor chain tubes that lead to the deck. I thought I'd exploit them so that if I ever want to add a working anchor assembly, I would not preclude the possibility...



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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #187 on: March 31, 2016, 07:29:33 PM »

As far as the anchors are concerned, what are you planning to do with them? They show in the pictures, where there is, however, no anchor winch present, yet. Mind you, I am not _expecting_ a working winch, but my kit contains the anchor chain tubes that lead to the deck. I thought I'd exploit them so that if I ever want to add a working anchor assembly, I would not preclude the possibility...

The anchor windlass is on the foredeck. The anchors tuck into pockets in the bow.

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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #188 on: March 31, 2016, 07:33:44 PM »

Another windlass shot.

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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #189 on: March 31, 2016, 11:07:21 PM »

You could make a few of these and use them alternatively so that way you won't get wet paint running to the underside. Just an idea...... Good luck. U2

Thanks U2 - I'll rig a mock up and give it a test run before committing this idea to the model. :-))

Regards,

Ray.
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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #190 on: March 31, 2016, 11:13:25 PM »

I did the bulwarks first and then very carefully did the decks around them - no masking at all....

Thanks for that Meechingman - I have already painted two thinned down coats to the bulwarks / supports however, I'm going to see what happens with the mock up I mentioned above.

Note: Enthusiasm to get the boat rebuilt got in the way of common sense. %)

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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #191 on: March 31, 2016, 11:35:52 PM »

Thank you for thinking about my build! You really are acting a guinea pig for me, aren't you..? I hope, I will have the opportunity to buy you a ... erm... mineral water one day  ok2
Hande

Glad to be of help to you my friend. (Single Malt Whisky, that's the spirit) {-)

Another thing is this "duck egg" colour that Billings is proposing.
Hande

Yes, this is duck egg "blue" but when applied and dried off it gives a sort of light green colour to the finished surface - you could try it out on a piece of scrap material, let it dry and see what you make of it then. Don't forget to treat the wood to a couple of coats of primer though, otherwise you won't get a true sample.
(and that's another whisky for me...) :P

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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #192 on: April 01, 2016, 12:00:29 AM »

As far as the anchors are concerned, what are you planning to do with them? They show in the pictures, where there is, however, no anchor winch present, yet. Mind you, I am not _expecting_ a working winch, but my kit contains the anchor chain tubes that lead to the deck. I thought I'd exploit them so that if I ever want to add a working anchor assembly, I would not preclude the possibility...





My anchor windlass has been fitted with pins to assist with locating through small holes in the deck - the trial run is shown on page 5, reply no.120, 2nd photo.

I've deliberately left out the hawse pipe fittings (less chance of water ingress) and the anchors, although epoxied in position, can be removed if needed. I can't see any need to removed then though, the model won't be fitted with working anchors. Hope this makes sense...

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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #193 on: April 01, 2016, 06:49:32 AM »

Just looked at the photo of the winch and noticed your hidden switch in a box :-)) . It's a good idea, i just did something similar on my Alantis, the lengths we go to eh?
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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #194 on: April 01, 2016, 11:57:07 PM »

Just looked at the photo of the winch and noticed your hidden switch in a box :-)) . It's a good idea, i just did something similar on my Alantis, the lengths we go to eh?

Quite right U2.

That particular box will be painted red and given the classification "windlass emergency tools". :D

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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #195 on: April 02, 2016, 12:13:36 AM »

Just caught up with this Ray - what a cracking refurb this is turning out to be!!!
 
I can see a summer of peaceful sailing for Neddie this year - easily! You seem to be progressing at a cracking pace.  With regard to deck painting and masking, I found when painting the bulwarks and deck of my Yorkshireman it was easier to do it by brush.  It was such a faff to try masking up that I ended up painting the bulwarks in ochre first and then, using a squared off brush, coating the deck with the 'deck green'.  I found this green - from a new tin - flowed well and didn't show any brush marks.
Looking forward to the next instalment  :-))

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« Reply #196 on: April 02, 2016, 12:26:14 AM »

With regard to deck painting and masking, I found when painting the bulwarks and deck of my Yorkshireman it was easier to do it by brush.  It was such a faff to try masking up that I ended up painting the bulwarks in ochre first and then, using a squared off brush, coating the deck with the 'deck green'.  I found this green - from a new tin - flowed well and didn't show any brush marks.

Hi Carl - that's a great tip regarding the squaring of the brush head, I'll most certainly do likewise. Thank you for sharing this. :-))

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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #197 on: April 12, 2016, 03:02:27 PM »

hi Capt Podge hows the refurb going.
hope some of life's unexpected little surprises have not been holding up the build mate.
looking foreword to your next up date
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« Reply #198 on: April 13, 2016, 12:00:54 AM »

Hiya Mick, I'm only getting little bits of painting done, in fits & starts. (afraid the shaky hand takes control now & then - specialist says it is called "intention tremor". Just got to live with it. >>:-(

I have finished painting the bulwarks and now, very carefully, working away at the main deck.

I'll take a couple of photo's of progress to date and update tomorrow. :-))

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Re: Podge's Smit Nederland Rebuild
« Reply #199 on: April 14, 2016, 01:19:46 AM »

So, here's a little update....

The inner bulwarks & supports have been given 6 coats of yellow - this was diluted 60/40 with white spirit for the first coat, followed by 5 further coats in ever decreasing dilutions - final coat being diluted 80/20.

This was then left to dry for 48hrs.

While admiring my handiwork I noticed that a couple of the supports up for'd were not really vertical so, rather than mess about trying to straighten them, came up with a solution: Mounting boards were made for the 2 lifebelts up front. The boards were then primed and painted to match the bulwarks and glued in place.

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