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Colin Bishop

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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2016, 08:35:06 am »

As Derek says, it was sawn constructional timber which would have warped in water and thus was of no use for it's intended purpose.

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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2016, 01:03:19 pm »

Hi all, I have read in the past about pre-Nelson age ship construction and many ships were rotting 'down below' before they took to the water.

On the other hand we do not always get good quality wood even now.  Wood products, ply etc, is produced for a price, you have to pay for good quality.  I think ply comes in about 6 variants, I use Thames quality ply or more often Marine quality.

It seems wrong thinking to put lots of time into making something from old pallets because they are cheap.
Sorry gone a bit off thread.
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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2016, 05:14:36 pm »

That is what I call a handsome tug!


I am sure there was some on here building her . I will see if I can find the build log on here.


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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2016, 06:02:09 pm »

This is the best pictorial build log of the Abeille Bourbon you will ever see..........

https://picasaweb.google.com/105202506859524458881/BauberichtABEILLEBOURBON02

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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2016, 08:15:51 pm »

I knew there was a Build of the Abeille Bourbon on here
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,31944.0.html
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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2016, 06:20:26 pm »

The ship has now been towed in to Bilbao. She looks in a really precarious condition and I'm surprised she has not capsized. But what an ugty hull shape!

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2016/02/03/01016-20160203ARTFIG00180-le-cargo-modern-express-fait-route-vers-le-port-de-bilbao.php

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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2016, 06:47:25 pm »

I would love to see the loading plan??
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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2016, 07:40:21 pm »

Regards to that soft wood not suitable for ship construction, the Yanks used it for ships working up North, though they only lasted about ten years, they still paid for themselves.
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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2016, 09:31:36 pm »

Another extraordinary video here:

http://www.sudouest.fr/2016/02/03/video-le-cargo-modern-express-est-arrive-a-bilbao-2263177-739.php

Surely it must have been a risk bringing her into port like that. What would have happened had she capsized in the harbour entrance?

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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2016, 08:53:33 am »

What was the alternative?  Let it sink at sea or beach it as a probably terminal wreck?
If the salvors had managed to get their lines on it and tow it out of a Biscay storm, the chances of it suddenly foundering in calm sheltered water were probably judged slender enough to recover the vessel.
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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2016, 09:29:21 am »

Malcolm, they adopted a different approach to the car carrier that suffered a similar problem in the Solent. The Port of Southampton wouldn't accept it until it had been stabilised so there was a very delicate reballasting exercise needed to bring it back almost upright. Of course the situation here could be different in that the earlier problem was incorrect ballasting but in this instance it appears that the cargo had shifted resulting is rather different stability problems and maybe there was no convenient sheltered water to undertake operations. However the ship has clearly taken on more water since the initial cargo shift, being noticeably down by the stern and with an increased list.

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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2016, 10:16:03 am »

HI Colin, i agree, she is well down at the stern, but when you look at her rolling in the swell she comes back up quickly, some water must have entered the hull but she seems to be reasonably tight, can only be a slight influx, at that angle she should have taken on a lot of water.


See what the salvors report says


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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2016, 10:24:52 am »

Another extraordinary video here:

http://www.sudouest.fr/2016/02/03/video-le-cargo-modern-express-est-arrive-a-bilbao-2263177-739.php

Surely it must have been a risk bringing her into port like that. What would have happened had she capsized in the harbour entrance?

Colin

The movement around 1:20 looks incredibly fast for a ship of this size. It looks more like a small model bobbling around or that the video was speeded up.
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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2016, 10:58:08 am »

The movement around 1:20 looks incredibly fast for a ship of this size. It looks more like a small model bobbling around or that the video was speeded up.

Yes, momentum does seem a little odd!
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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2016, 11:22:26 am »

I thought it was speeded up too but the motion of the tug looks tolerably realistic.

As Jarvo says, the main hull must be well battened down, maybe it is free water entering the car decks above which is causing the extra list?

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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2016, 11:25:40 am »

I would have thought that extra mass would slow the movement down.  I thought that the tug looked to be bobbling as well. Tugs are normally very well planted.
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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2016, 09:16:06 pm »

Could be the same problem as the one in the Solent not so long ago and that was caused by incorrect ballasting. These boats rely on their ballast tanks, any problem there and over they go, there are no cargo hatches only the rear door, but as she was carrying general cargo perhaps some of it was not secured properly and she shot some to one side which would have the same effect, with these boats you do have to be a lot more particular about stability and cargo securing than the old break bulk cargo boats.
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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2016, 11:30:33 pm »


Definitely speeded up..... The wind turbines in the background are turning nearly twice as fast as the previous shot they're seen in. <*<

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Re: Another car carrier in trouble
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2016, 08:12:08 am »

I've been into that harbour many times aboard BrittanyFerries Cap Finisterre, its not a big place! The part they actually moved it into is the turning basin for the ferry which moors to the harbourside under those gas tanks. The main port is further up river, so I guess they are keeping it away from the main shipping.
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