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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2019, 06:00:35 pm »

Apologies here.
Sorry for the hijack but......weren't they the planes that couldn't hit the Torrey Canyon wreck to set it on fire?
Brain freeze???

I believe they hit the wreck OK, but crude oil is actually quite difficult to set alight (which was the aim of the exercise to prevent the slick reaching land).  The RAF/FAA were not (and are not) equipped with anti-crude oil weapons!

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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #51 on: December 14, 2019, 06:43:58 pm »

Most bombs i saw land seemed to miss?......... {-)
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #52 on: December 14, 2019, 10:11:04 pm »


IIRC they were trying to miss the ship but ignite the oil plume escaping from her, but as SailorGreg says, it's damn difficult to ignite.


The Bucc was still a fine aeroplane, and maybe the best low level strike aircraft the  FAA, RAF or any other air force ever had on their books. As the USAF found out to their cost during numerous Red Flag exercises.
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2019, 12:38:01 pm »

If that hard to ignite, why do they in dirty great big red letters ' NO SMOKING ' on the superstructures  {-) , maybe they should have used napalm in bottles with a grenade as the bottle is released the pin on the grenade pulls out and aimed at the ship the bottle smashes, then when the grenade goes off, or a package of C4 dropped and then an observer detonates the package. or is that to fancyful.
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2019, 01:27:41 pm »

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If that hard to ignite, why do they in dirty great big red letters ' NO SMOKING ' on the superstructures

I would think because you get a volatile gas build up within the tank spaces and that definitely is flammable! On the open sea the gas would simply dissipate.

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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2019, 04:32:41 pm »


As SailorGreg said, neither the RAF not the FAA are, or were equipped with anti-crude oil weapons.


Hindsight is, of course, the world's only exact science...……….. :-)
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2019, 06:56:16 pm »

I would think because you get a volatile gas build up within the tank spaces and that definitely is flammable! On the open sea the gas would simply dissipate.

Colin
Maybe a direst hi would have given the desired ignition?  :-))
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #57 on: January 19, 2020, 03:20:42 pm »

I see the old tub is in the local news again, apparently in the recent high winds she moved on the berth within her moorings constraints and ripped out her shore power cable. The on duty crew had to be hosted overnight on her sistership until the next day when it could be repaired. 
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2020, 03:25:17 pm »

She's a new tub!

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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2020, 09:10:09 pm »

Hi Colin the New Tub is in the local rag again, apparently the new 290m£ airborne radar for the Merlin's called Crow's-nest is not working they say it is too sensitive to work.
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2020, 09:32:38 pm »

Yes, so it seems.

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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #61 on: January 22, 2020, 09:45:59 pm »

Without knowing the detail [from loose lips sinking ships Pub Talk  :embarrassed: ] surely this related to the Helicopter builder Augusta-Westland [or sub-contractor for the Merlin bit] & not the builders of RO9?.......


Would this issue not also be with RO8?


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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #62 on: January 22, 2020, 09:59:27 pm »

Nothing to do with Westland either, the radar manufacturer-Lockheed Martin- are the ones developing the system.
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #63 on: January 24, 2020, 08:28:42 pm »

Nick it is an early warning radar carried in a Merlin for the Carrier. Much the same on previous carriers such as carried by the Gannets then in Helio's on later versions.
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #64 on: January 24, 2020, 08:33:30 pm »

Hi David


I know mate but the radar is being made by Lockheed which is where the problem lays, not with Agusta Westland (Leonardo), they are the aircraft manufacturer. Just because it’s attached to the helicopter doesn’t mean that Leonardo has developed it in anyway.

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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #65 on: January 24, 2020, 10:52:25 pm »

So just left of centre, if your joint venture between Lockheed & Martin are experienciencing a few technical issues with your Military communications systems, why not look for a third Partner to help?


Huawei have collaborated with Marine Networks Co to form a creditable alliance .......the Huawei Parent Co appears to be currently experiencing a few minor personality disquites with those in Power in the US, however considering the independence that exists between the US & the UK, it could always worth asking for help from the 'as reported'... World Leaders in technology  :embarrassed:


Just yesterday it is reported that the UK 5G telecommunications industry is to accept support by Huawei.....so if it's OK for your telephones, why not OK for your Military Radar?  %)


From all reports, our Darwin Ports Authority [DPA] is providing an excellent incident free control of the movement of vessels in the Port of Darwin, which include those of our RAN [and those of visiting US vessels].....just as reference, the DPA won the 99 year lease to control the Port, it is owned by a Shelf Company which is 51% owned by none other than .......yes you guessed Huawei  :-X
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #66 on: February 22, 2020, 09:36:34 pm »

A few days ago, sailing from Portsmouth. Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/gUx7XNfqXCQ
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2020, 06:57:32 am »

Great viewing of the P of W ........didn't see many of her compliment in Dress Uniform deckside.......which must ask the begging question.....


''does she have a full compliment?" ...or will she pick a Press Gang  %) at Liverpool?

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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2020, 09:39:37 am »

So those pressed in to service will be POW's - boom boom, i thank you  {-)
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2020, 11:32:37 am »

Groan  {:-{
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2020, 11:43:49 am »

'does she have a full compliment


depend what you mean by full compliment?
to sail about and conduct trials... Yes, remember the QE class are highly automated its been highlighted its even more manpower efficient than the new American carriers.


to go to war, and operate at full pace.. no its not got all the air side crew onboard yet
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2020, 02:46:28 pm »

Ginger is right peace time compliment is always a lot lower than wartime usually, when the last WW started all ships had their compliments increased, the Hood for example had 20 %th year  ERA apprentices to make up her engine compliment alone. Believe a lot of naval personnel went to Gibraltar to join ships already sailed from UK to make up compliments.
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Re: HMS Prince of Wales
« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2020, 02:47:51 pm »

Sorry finger typing mistake should read 20 5th year not 20%.
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