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warspite

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #200 on: September 20, 2021, 11:28:20 am »

Does the parts match the drawing ?
Does the frames as built match the drawing i.e are they exactly in the same place as they should be ?


The 1 mm could be that the hull over time has settled in some places and that the part would fit if the parts were in the correct location


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Do the notches need to be deepened to hide the descrepency that may have crept in - not that any has, it just may be that there is something not sitting where it should be and thats why the exacting parts are not sitting where they should.
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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #201 on: September 20, 2021, 11:44:53 am »

Also perhaps the drawings have an error somehow. You’re working with very precise tooling eg your mill?


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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #202 on: September 20, 2021, 12:28:55 pm »

I guess those parts aren't actually glued in just yet.  Does that gap close up with gentle pressure?  If so, I would leave it as it is and let the glue hold the joint tight.  If the gap persists, and if it was me, I would try and figure out where the points were that were holding the piece away from its seated position and ease those a bit to see if you can close the gap (as Warspite suggests).  If not, have another go at making the ill-fitting pieces.  With the knowledge of where the gaps are, and their size, a tight(er) fit should be possible.

But - it's your model, your call.  It is a fair bit of work you will be ditching if you start again.  And it's always worth looking for unintended consequences - if you make a piece very slightly different from the plans, will that impact on the fit of other pieces later on?

Good luck with the fix, however you do it (or don't, you could just live with it!)

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #203 on: September 20, 2021, 04:19:26 pm »

Hi all and thanks for the replies  :-))


These parts are glued in place as this was the best that I could get them to fit. They do match the drawings but I guess it’s a cumulative error trying to get 32 frames and joints to all line up exactly together.


I spent over a day fettling the fit but I couldn’t adjust one part without it affecting another. If I lower that part of the keelson it affects the scarf joints at each end. If I then lowered those joints the sternson would be too low which also has a knock on effect.


I’ve decided just to leave it as is for now - funnily enough once it’s planked you won’t be able to see it anyway  {-)


If I only plank the one side I’ll probably make filler pieces and no one will know……….oh hang on a minute  %%

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #204 on: September 20, 2021, 04:27:39 pm »

Don't worry - we're not telling.  %) %)

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #205 on: September 20, 2021, 04:34:08 pm »

Our lips are sealed  O0
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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #206 on: September 21, 2021, 10:40:09 am »

I think he just realized that one side would be hidden and the other exposed and if he is going to make filler pieces to hide for the exposed side he might as well do it before he planks the other side - correct?  {-)
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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #207 on: September 22, 2021, 02:18:38 pm »

Don't worry - we're not telling.  %) %)


Our lips are sealed  O0


I can always rely on you lads  :-))




I think he just realized that one side would be hidden and the other exposed and if he is going to make filler pieces to hide for the exposed side he might as well do it before he planks the other side - correct?  {-)


Hi warspite - I'm not sure whether to fully plank this model or not yet but you are spot on  {-)


These gaps have been doing my head in  {-)   To be fair to myself the book that I am using to help me build this ship is written by a builder called Adrian Sorolla.  He had exactly the same issue and solved it by placing shims in the gaps.  I'm not surprised that this has happened as there are actually 64 mating faces between the frames and the keelson.  Unfortunately none of the parts have any give so they either fit or they don't  <*<


So seeing as my truck decided to breakdown today and gave me a day off of work I decided to make the thin little shims and get the job done.  The average thickness was about 0.6mm but I'm glad that I've done this job.  I'm now "gapless" and I only had to put one shim in at the stem.


Tadaaaaa  {-)











These pictures are of the shims just glued and chiseled to length and I think they will look much better when sanded.  I'll give the whole hull a good clean up soon but not until I've closed the bow and the stern.


Its a long job but thanks for hanging in there - Mark

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #208 on: September 22, 2021, 05:03:26 pm »

Hi Mark  don't beat yourself up over a few tiny gaps, I'd be pleased as punch if I had acheaved what you have, if that was the real vessel once in the water those joints would have tightened anyway.


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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #209 on: September 23, 2021, 10:54:27 am »

or more precisely, in the full sized vessel the weight of the wood, would have closed the gaps under gravity
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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #210 on: September 23, 2021, 09:00:10 pm »

or more precisely, in the full sized vessel the weight of the wood, would have closed the gaps under gravity
Also the keel and keelson were bolted together which would have helped closing any gaps.
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