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[derekwarner]

......Imagna notes....Some warships are very poor warm weather ships .....this was all too true

Priot to 1955, our Politicians purchased two 'ex Magestic Class' Aircraft Carriers from Britian.....[surplus to their needs, so thought to be an excellent purchase for OZ ]

They were commissioned into the RAN as HMAS Sydney and HMAS Melbourne.......

Designed for the frigid North Atlantic and without any form of airconditioning were simply hot box's for our work in the Indo-Pacific

My text was poorly written with respect to the boilers for the Flower Class, as the boiler/s air was certainly fan assisted [forced draft] however Boiler spaces were separated and sealed from Engine spaces, so to create a PER, the simple design established to increase air pressures in the Engine spaces is to restrict exhausting air. I do not believe the Flower Class included a pressured engine room

We see another Flower Class image here with 2 Boiler Room ventilators 'each' facing inboard, then a ventilator, aft & over the engine room with the ventilator facing to Port and all six Engine Room Skylights open to atmosphere to exhaust hotter air. This simple point reinforces that the Flower Class did not include PER

Derek

[Backerther]

Hi all;
Both gents are exchanging serious discussion on the ventilation system, which is a bit difficult for me to participate in
as it is so special on the subject.!
By the way and instead,I post a little progress for today as follows;
1/2/3/4/;These are not as per the instructions..
5/6/7;As per the kit instructions
8/9/10;As per the kit instructions
With the above assemblies,page 30 is almost complete.!!

[lmagna]

Very nice work Kiyo. Sorry about the discussion about the vents.


Lou

[Backerther]

Hi Lou;


Please don't worry about that at all,so far as the contents are concerned with the Flower class corvettes.!


Kiyo

[Backerther]

Hi all;
I finally made a main mast using a piece of brass rod and a pipe in my parts box, and my drilling machine.
I personally think that this brass mast looks a bit better than a copper mast made previously.
This is because I used this time a piece of "jig"to hold the material securely not to be bent while filing,in addition to
filing efficiency. That's why it appears to me that I made it a bit thinner as thought to be.
Here are the pics of my work for today.
1;I first prepared for this "primitive jig" to hold the material rod.
2;Under filing the rod
3;First I made a connecting part on one end of the rod,with the another brass pipe.
4;connecting end of the rod was finished and cut the end to connect the pipe.
5;Connecting with a pipe was successfully done.!
6;This time,tapering process is being made carefully to get the final thickness as a mast and done,which is within a compromise for me..
7;The result is like this.
8; And like this
9;Temporarily set it on the mid-ship to see how it looks
10;This is the final profile before painting,which I have to compromise with my present skill and experience and drilling machine...

[Martin (Admin)]

Yes, much better!   

[Backerther]

Thanks Martin,my boss for your quick comment  !!
The kit furnished mast and yard are so weak,soft and flexible that I could not help making metallic ones to rig with.

Kiyo

[lmagna]

Very nicely done Kiyo


I wonder how heavy your solid mast is compared with the hollow one I made with tubing sections tapered down back in 1980?

[Backerther]

Hi Lou;
Yes,mine must be heavier than yours ,though solid rod was used in upper half of the mast..anyhow whole mast is made of brass material and this will lead to literally top heavy model...??


Kiyo

[lmagna]

Hard to say Kiyo. I would not think that the mast all by it's self would make the ship top heavy.

[Backerther]

Hi all;
I have come up to page 30 of the kit instruction completely with this work of painting the mast.
1;Painted and compared the inclination angle with the original mast. The angle of the mast in the kit is 8.5 degree behind.!
2;front
3;back
4/5/6/7;Just temporarily attached on the deck to see how it looks.
I think the above is OK for me.
I compromised with this result as this is intended for a working model,not a display model.!

[Backerther]

Hi all;
The main mast is now complete as in the pics below.!!
Well then,next point to make differently from the instruction manual is a 40mm Pompom gun which will be possibly done in the next week or so.

[Backerther]

A little progress for today.
Ceiling windows of the boiler room? were hollowed thoroughly to apply clear plastics to get the sunshine into the room.
Without these windows, the circumstances in the room must be so dim that many crews there will happen to face a unhealthy and unsanitary conditions spiritually though lighting device must have been available...!!

[derekwarner]

....."Ceiling windows of the boiler room?" ...........

Kiyo....no, these Skylights are above the Engine room.......

In this Plan, the Skylights are above bulkhead space 20/21 which is the Engine room

They can be hinged open when in fine weather to let hot air out, closed only in stormy rain......


The Boiler room does not have any upward facing Skylights

Derek

[Backerther]

Hi Derek;


A great thanks for your kind explanation on the skylights of the engine room which I did not know well enough.!
Hinged open ....surprising structure !!


Kiyo

[derekwarner]

....."hinged open when in fine weather"   .    .........it's OK to Model them as closed skylights


If anyone asks....'just tell them it was a North Atlantic in stormy rain earlier today'.... when she set off on Ocean trials..... 


Derek

[Backerther]

Hi all;
I have come up through page 33 today where is this level of fabrication.
The Snowberry I feel looks a bit something like a corvette.! ♫～♪～♬～(^^♪
I wonder something like a radar antenna in the last pic is sound detector against approaching aircrafts..??

[warspite]

Any chance you could put a photograph of this item in the instruction book on here, the matchbox one never had this.


It looks like a davit modified, the Agassiz book is the shorter version of the corvettes where the stern is more for para vanes and mine clearing duties where the engine room stops just after the gun on the pedestal, in the castle class on this section there is what is referred to as a overtaking light !!!


I will have to dig out my instruction manual to check if it did have this and I changed it. 

[lmagna]

It is on my 1980 Matchbox corvette but didn't last long before it had to be repaired with a brass rod! I always took it to be a rearward facing light with a shield to prevent it from being seen from anywhere except from directly astern. I do not remember there being any explanation in the kit instructions and back then there was very little information on the Flower class corvettes. It will be interesting to see what you come up with warspite.

[tonyH]

I've always understood it to be a convoy light, as in the "follow that light" scenario. Apparently, in US regulations, it could be blue or, as a wake illumination" white. The 2001 edition it's Vol 15 Part 707 if you really want to know!

Tony

[warspite]

It maybe that I thought it was a davit for the rear depth charges and relocated it to the main deck and that can be seen on the earlier picture I posted, that pictures shows the square where it was supposed to go and the fitting is on the deck between the depth charges with crew loading the rack, you would have thought a light bulb would be there by making a hole in the shield and the curved support poking through to represent the bulb. 

[lmagna]

You could very easily be right Kiyo.


I was just saying what it LOOKED like to me, hoping that someone with better research material would check in and either confirm it or straighten me out.


In this picture it looks like you may be right.



It looks like the "Follow Me" light may be on the stern bulwark.


 

[tonyH]

I reckon that Kiyo is getting on for 90% right. It's got the right profile etc. as what was called an Acoustic Mirror or Sound Mirror or Acoustic Parabola which came forward from WW1 and the interwar years. I reckon it would be a way of detecting aircraft approaching from the stern which could be a bit of a blind spot. It would be the anti-aircraft equivalent to hydrophones used to detect subs before radar and sonar worked. The pics attached show the extremes of what was around at various times between WW1 and WW2. It could explain also why it doesn't appear on all Flower kits.

[warspite]

Well after a bit of a search - i found an image of the rear of the engine room roof, low and behold it has what is supposedly depicted, but its base is the bent tube direct to the deck and there is in most cases the davit with that base.


It doesn't look like a light, but alternatively, is it not to sound the bell / siren for letting the crew know when to let the charges go?


No other pictures I have looked at seem to show anything even remotely similar or present.


Though when blown up the image appears to show what may be the listening device in the images above.

[Backerther]

Hi all concerned with discussions of strange-looked equipment on the engine room roof.!
Thank you so much for very impressive pics on the above, particularly Japan's gigantic trumpets to detect enemy planes that
I had ever read of them installed to detect Boeing B-29 bombers for early warnings...