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cos918

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how do you move big boats.
« on: October 06, 2008, 05:14:04 pm »
hi all ,going to need some advice here. My current boat celcestine is nearing compleation. her box is 166cms long and only just fits in the car (08 mondeo hatchback.)

I am thinking of build FINNJET at 1:100 scale as she is just over 200m long the model would be about 2m long. Having a split line is not realy an option as you would see the seam line. So what i am trying to solve is how to move her. She wont fit in the car and i dont have a trailer so i guess the roof is all thats left. would it be feasible to have a 2.1m long on a roof rack. Any thought or ideas or photos would be welcome.



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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2008, 05:25:49 pm »
The thought of putting a large boat on the roof rack fills me with horror. Damage; strain; the possibility of dropping.....oh no.

Solutions:

      1. Change the car
      2. Buy a trailer
      3. Buy a house next to the lake
      4. Buy a lake

Whatever way you go I think it is going to cost you money.

Roger in France.
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Re: how do you move big boats.
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2008, 05:32:25 pm »
Hello John!

What about one of those large top boxes you see on some cars going on holiday? It would protect your boat from the elements; but you would need to provide lots of packing because of the size of the box. Also you would need a small step ladder to get the boat out! Also what about the racks used to carry skis?

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Simon  8)
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Re: how do you move big boats.
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 05:36:14 pm »
Buy a motorhome! Then you can camp out at the lake as well.

Most of us buy cars to suit the boats dont we? It's certainly a consideration for me!

Alternatively, a trailer is probably the best option.

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2008, 05:37:28 pm »
There is a weight limit to what you can carry on the roof otherwise your car may capsize! Check the handbook.

Think laterally, you could build a slightly smaller model....

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2008, 05:41:14 pm »
You should also consider the weight of the model for moving it to/from house/car - car/lake.

I had to think about this  for my current build. I set out with the idea of 1:100, and ended up at 1:200. At this scale she is 1.2m and will weigh in at about 40kg fully ballasted (most of which is water ballast)

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2008, 05:50:16 pm »
One of the largest estates on the market are the Volvo and Vauxhall omega and it would in either of these BUT albeit diagonally.Of the 2 I would if I was you go for the Omega but get the 2.5td with the BMW engine in it 45+per gallon.Thew mondeo is such a disappointing car interior wise as I had thought of a change till one came in to work and I was able to get the tape measure out.If I had  mondeo the 1mtr,the tid a pair of oars,electric outboard two 12v car bats waterproofs etc would not fit in a mondeo but it all fits with room to spare.Just to give you an idea of space I can get into the back 14 boats club display board a gazebo and loads of ods and sods under the back seats to get to shows bet you could not in a Mondeo,sorry to sound as if I am blowing the Omega's trumpet but me got one and top change to get more room I would have to get a Vw Transporter or a transit van!!!!1

All the boats in the photo were carried in the Omega Honestly


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Re: how do you move big boats.
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2008, 05:56:22 pm »
hi all well thanks for you ideas and thoughts.
 The car is a company car Not my choice. There is no tow hook i might be abel to get one i would have to see.
changing the scale  might work but i know some one makes a 1:100 hull so thats were the scale came from +there a lot of fitting avaible at this scale.
If i did make a box she would be weged in to it tight and that would be well staped or bolted to the roof rack
the weight is not a proplem ford say 90kg max so load of capicty as the batters +ballest would be in the car.

roger love your idea house next to lake mmm heaven but the bank manger say NO >>:-( >>:-(.

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Re: how do you move big boats.
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2008, 06:25:40 pm »
John, it sounds like the only feasable option would be a trailer and perhaps a purpose  made one at that. Since all the box trailers on the market would be a bit too short one suggestion would be a motorcycle trailer as they are open framed and fairly compact, you could then attach a purpose built box with suitable cradles and padding to go inside to support and cushion your model. The real problem with trailers is the springing  and they could result in a fair amount of jostling of your model so loads of foam would be essential.
I haven't actually done this myself but it was the first thing that sprang to mind and  would probably be the way I would go.
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Re: how do you move big boats.
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 06:40:44 pm »
the trailer look like a posiabilty. But most of thoes little trailers i have seen seam to bounce a far bit is this comom with them.
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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 06:44:19 pm »
I bought a (Finnish-made) trailer with lid for about €1600 a few months ago, primarily to transport models. Its about 2.6 metres long. Came in very handy during our recent house move, too.
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2008, 06:48:00 pm »
Hi, the only thing with a trailer and tow bar is cost, about 2years ago i had one fitted too the mondeo i had, it was £200 fitted and i paid £150 for a S/H  motorcycle trailer that doesn't get used anymoor as my bike has gone
sorry for the downside

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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2008, 06:50:25 pm »
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i have seen seam to bounce a far bit is this comom with them

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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2008, 06:54:27 pm »
most bounce when empt and loaded up are ok

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2008, 07:09:44 pm »
I should have added that my trailer is often lightly-loaded (model planes) and should you see the state of the roads round here, we have 6 km of dirt tracks before we reach the tarmac road, and the weather and tractors have made them full of deep holes, but I am yet to damage anything in the trailer.
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Re: how do you move big boats.
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2008, 07:36:37 pm »
thanks for all your input its given me food for thought  O0

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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2008, 11:00:59 pm »
I would go with the trailer as lifting a "canoe" sized item up and into a roof box is not going to be the easiest of feats.
with the trailer then the whole sailing kit can be put in there and then that put into the garage and then thats the storage taken care of as well  O0

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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2008, 09:15:44 am »
There's more than one way to skin a cat! Regarding the rigidity of trailer suspension, this could be further softened if the model box itself was cushioned by a  soft shock absorbant mounting where it  fitted onto the framing. I am sure with a bit of thought this could be achieved by some kind of foam mounting block at each anchor point. It may even be possible to use a huge thick piece of foam the size of the box base for the whole box to sit upon and actually secure the box with multiple elasticated hooks as this would allow the whole thing to be removed in moments without the aid of tools. If the box incorporated wheels and a handle itcould also be use to transport the model from the trailer to the pondside thereby reducing the possibility of accidental damage occurring during this transit phase of the operation.
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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2008, 09:52:24 am »
My Dreadnought is 2.23 metres long and fits (just) in a Nissan Almera - when I take out the front passenger seat. That's not as bad as it sounds, though: four bolts and a minute with a socket set. The difficulty is moving the weight (it'll be 50kg when ballasted) up and over the boot-lip without causing damage.

Does the Mondeo have a lip to the boot? My old Peugeot estate didn't, and it was ridiculously easy to get that to swallow stuff.

Andy, who once got four internal doors in a Golf...
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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2008, 10:02:36 am »
A herese makes for perfect transport for moving large model boats around O0
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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2008, 10:04:40 am »
Andy, who once got four internal doors in a Golf...

I believe your taking it back to have 4 outside doors fitted.
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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2008, 10:50:14 am »
Garabaldy, a hearse is what you will definately need if you build too big... and it won't be for the model!
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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2008, 11:26:14 am »
Quote from: Ron1 on October 07, 2008, 10:04:40 am
I believe your taking it back to have 4 outside doors fitted.

Not a chance - the letterboxes would flutter in the wind.

That said, I suppose my Peugeot did come with French windows!

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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2008, 09:49:06 pm »
A 4X4 or even an "estate" as the were once know as is great for transporting large vessels,

Oh and by the way altering tyre pressures on trailers has an effect on the "ride" but too soft can cause snaking

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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2008, 10:21:10 pm »
And you can also be prosecuted for having tyres that are underinflated.A trailer manufacturer as well as a car manufacturer will specify the tyre pressures get stopped and they check pressures and what do point make prizes in other words not only a fine but worse than that but increased ins premiums,food for thought I think.You think I kid about tyre pressures I do not.I had to attend court as a Police wittiness due to a customer of mine many years ago running a trailer that I had sold him with underinflated tyres when it was clear on the trailer plate attached to the drawbar what the pressures should have been.What happened he was done!!!!




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