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[gingyer]

I bought one of these hulls http://www.nauticalmarinemodels.co.uk/extras/scale%20S-100%20product%20page.htm(superb )
and am going to get the kit and put it on the hull
all going well

[Bowwave]

Close ups  of  some of  the parts to this really super kit.
 
PE

Bowwave

[Bowwave]

Apparently WEM have the  kit in stock and are available at £99.95. 
Bowwave

[brockya]

Hi Gingyer.
Will your, what seems a good idea,  of using the NMM hull work, at 1/36 scale its smaller than the Italeri kit around one inch in length and I dont know what in beam ???
Richard.

[Mankster]

Wouldn't glassing the interior of the plastic hull be a better idea? It will fit better, you keep all the detail and it will cheaper.

[Cargo]

The hull is made out of ps, using good ps-glue should do the job.

[Mankster]

The hull is made out of ps, using good ps-glue should do the job.

I ment glassing it on the inside to strengthen it for fast RC use,

[herrmill]

That's what I plan to do for my RC conversion.  Other than replacing the that plastic railing, stanchions & some other fragile parts that can get knocked off with brass, it looks like the perfect kit.  The rivet detail shown on the foredeck, tube doors & skull cap alone blows me away - my TJ S-100 hull will take a lot more work to make it look as good as this one.

[Cargo]

The hull is made out of ps, using good ps-glue should do the job.

I ment glassing it on the inside to strengthen it for fast RC use,

Ah ok, good idea 

[brockya]

Hi Herrmill
What motors are you thinking of using on this boat, it has been suggested to me to use two  Mtronic Vision 400's
but I'm not sure they will have enough power, maybe three, what do you think ?
Richard

[amdaylight]

If this thing has a hull same thickness as the PT Boat, building the hull as a plug and doing a replacement fiber glass hull might not be a bad way to go as the PT Boats hull is close to 1/16" thick, maybe thicker and weighs a ton and it needed no reinforcing as it was plenty strong as it came from Italeri.  Heck you could  with it.

Andre

over yonder in Portland Oregon

[herrmill]

Richard,

I'm going with 3 motors, either 400 or 480 direct.  Is anyone going to set up their outboard rudders for the proper Luerssen Effect? 

Chuck

[gingyer]

Hi Gingyer.
Will your, what seems a good idea,  of using the NMM hull work, at 1/36 scale its smaller than the Italeri kit around one inch in length and I dont know what in beam ???
Richard.

I bought the hull but when I went to get fittings I found only dream arts stuff about and was not willing to part the cash they were looking for.
so that is why I am going with this stuff and if my sums are right I am only about 10mm out as it is a bit bigger than 1/36 
I am not to bothered about the lenght anyway it is only for some fun

[amdaylight]

Richard,

I'm going with 3 motors, either 400 or 480 direct.  Is anyone going to set up their outboard rudders for the proper Luerssen Effect? 

Chuck

Chuck,

Do really think that you will need that much power? I am asking because I am getting ready to buy the motors for my PT boat and I thought that 300's would work for that especially as I am going to use 3 motors in it also.  Now onto the next question as once said it is one thing to ignorant and keep every one guessing and another thing to open ones mouth and remove all doubt, what is Luerssen Effect????

Andre

over yonder in Portland Oregon

[herrmill]

Andre,

Certainly 380s would work well on this hull as well as the Elco.  Weight certainly won't be much of an issue.  I also have the Elco in the box

Regarding the Luerssen Effect here's an excerpt from the Prinz Eugen Schnellboot Archive: 

"Experimentation with S-1 and the intial batch of five additional boats led to immediate improvements and innovations. For example, beginning with S-7 (1933) the increased reserve buoyancy of a knuckle added at the bow prevented the boat from nosing into waves in foul weather. Another key innovation was the addition of a special rudder arrangement beginning with S-2 (1932). Port and starboard of the main rudder were two smaller rudders which could be angled outboard to 30 degrees. Known as the "Luerssen Effekt," at high speed, the angled rudders drew a ventilation air pocket slightly behind the three propellors, increasing their effiency, reducing the stern wave and keeping the boat at a nearly horizontal attitude.  A wedge was added to the lower stern beginning with S-18 (1938). This deflected the water flow slightly downwards, counteracting any tendency for the hull to settle into the water as speed increased."

For anyone building this kit who aren't familiar with the Prinz Eugen website,  I'd highly recommend it bookmarking this link: http://www.prinzeugen.com/SBOATIND.htm.  You'll find some excellent camo patterns & ideas for your build.   

There is an example of a build that incorporates the Luerssen Effect in rudder setup over at RCG: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=768419

Chuck

[amdaylight]

Chuck,

That might be a kind of nice item to try with the rudders, next did the S-100's have 3 or 5 rudders or did the two smaller ones help with the steering also?

Andre
over yonder in Portland Oregon, but not as far as Chuck

[ian kennedy]

Hi Guy's

All the Schnellbootes were fitted with a central balanced rudder

The two smaller outer blades were in fact trim tabs, these were intended to flatten the boats attitude when running at full speed ,firing the torpedoes, these were known as lurrsen rudders and only moved outwards through about 17.5 degrees.

One other positive effect of the trim tabs was the fact that when feathered out to 15 degrees they reduced the amount of white wake from the props and this helped make the boats less visible during night combat.

Hope this helps

Ian

[brockya]

Well the kit has finally arrived and well worth the wait. Not going to be an easy build, the instructions include wording such as 'putting great care' and the best 'once you have tested your skills with the 20mmm guns move on to the 37mm!! Will certainly pass the winter months with the RC conversion work as well. Really looking forward to it.
Richard.

[gingyer]

hi Brockya,
you I think are one of the first to have the kit,
whats your impression of the kit? worth the money?
I see it's on ebay for £90 (£100 inc P+P)

[herrmill]

Congrats on getting the first one!   

Post some photos if you don't mind, & will you be putting a build thread? 

Chuck

[brockya]

Hi Gingyer.
 Yes certainly worth the money, got mine from Wonderland models for £95.99, including £6 express next day delivery. Very many parts, and fine moulding detail, with a great etched brass fret that needs a lot of folding and bending. A lot of fine detail that will need careful handling on a working model. Though its long at 1 meter, its quite narrow just over 5 inches, so if your going to put three motors in the wont have to be too big, plenty of room for two though, we will have to see. The flag is strange a big blank white circle in the middle where the swastika should be !!! Will need a careful build but should look great when finished, so very good value plenty of build time to see you through the winter.
herrmill I will post some photos tomorrow.

Richard.

[gingyer]

thanks brockya,
I was considering some brushless motors in mine should go about scale-ish speed 
I can answer the flag for you in germany and other places it's  illegal to display a swastika so model companies do away with the
swastika from flags etc.

[brockya]

Hi.
Yes brushless maybe the way to go. Not much to photograph yet as the parts have been well displayed on previous posts. The hull is in fact if four parts, the two hull sides and the stern is also in two parts, the transom and rear of the bottom, where the rudders are, so will ned a bit of work to strengthen and make watertight. The black and white instruction booklet is supplemented by a small colour photo booklet to make things clearer. I fancy painting in the 'splotch' pattern camouflage although there is doubt this ever was used, but i think it looks good. It is shown very well in a diorama in the  book German S Boats by Steve Wiper Published by Ship Craft, but I dont know if I'm allowed to copy it for here.
Richard

[herrmill]

Very nice Richard!  Looks to be an excellent kit to chew on this winter.

Regarding camo patterns, are you referring to the jagged or tiger stripes that were used on the S-boats in the Baltic & Black Sea?

Chuck

[colin-stevens]

gulp, i've been bitten by it. just seen it at my local shop. john insisted i open it(hate him). sad thing was they had no prop shafts in 2mm. reckon anything bigger would be too big. so walked out without it. however just ordered 210 x 2mm Dia from westbourne.
what do you reckon on rudders? one central, two outer, or all three?
going back to mick charles later to spend.(maybe)
just seing if any of my little brushless work, seem to recall having problems with them.
paint scheme should be interesting