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[JayDee]

Hello,

I had a Link to the New Brighton Club on my website - - - it has been removed!.
They have a Link to mine - - - asked for it to be removed ASAP.

John.

[JayDee]

Hello,

Surprise, surprise, my email to the Chairman of the New Brighton Club is unavailable via email  !!!!!.

I wonder why ???.

John.  

[The long Build]

Are there no New Brighton Members on here to pass comment ?, if not just to clarify things.

[raymond]

If I was a steam man and had a valid boiler cert. and lived near I would fire up and put the ban to the test and ask to see the by-law.lets hope somebody makes a challenge as this could end up going the same way as the bans i.c. engine boats ,maybee local councils won't be happy untill they get all boats off ponds and lakes just to keep the local duck feeders happy.
         Ray

[Rogirby]

I think the issue here is that the "health & safety officials" and "experts" are incapable of properly judging risk. Any proper risk analysis takes into account the probability of an incident as well as the possible consequences. As in so many of these cases the probability of an incident appears to not have been properly considered. If it had been, given that there appears to be no evidence of any actual incidents of boiler blow ups, and certainly I have not heard of any issues on this particular pond, the "experts" would have realised that the risk that they are worrying about is so small as to be negligible.
Local councils need to wake up to the fact that we all need to take responsibility for our own actions, we don't need them to do it for us. I am amazed that the local club should support such unnecessary interference (or even ask for it to take place!)

[ooyah/2]

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Does any one operate a steam boat capable of high speed and damage in the event of a collission - it seems to me large scale yachts are more than capable of doing great damage - perhaps we should ban those as well, or what about fast electrics ?


 





There sure is people who operate fast steam boats,how about the straight runners ( 12 mph some with flash boilers. )

How about my Flash Steamer OOYAH  40 mph and no boiler certificate required as it's a Monotube boiler., do you think that the club chairman would object,
or what would the Local authorities think.

George.

[yorkiej]

As has been said' If the ban is not backed up by a full Council Committee or a By Law then it is not enforcible.
By association, it is also unlawful.
Who wants to sue for loss of amenity?
Think about it. Works both ways.
Perhaps Mr Parkinson received a free pen with his application !!!

[HS93 (RIP)]

it's strange that a council removing 170 by laws would bring in a frivolous one like this.

Peter

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2010/09/15/wirral-council-to-remove-170-bylaws-from-statute-books-92534-27270092/

[Triton2]

Forgive an Old Codger  But what happened to Common Sense????

[TomTheKraut]

Forgive an Old Codger  But what happened to Common Sense????

... it's been sued for being not common enough for people who insist on behaving irresponsible...

[Circlip]

do you think that the club chairman would object,

 Yes, it's irresponsible young speed freeks like you we have to protect ourselves from Ooyah/2

   Regards   Ian.


   

[ooyah/2]

Hi Ian,
Thank's for the compliment "YOUNG" could probably give you a few years, where is your sense of adventure, this boat not only frightens children and horses
so it would probably give this very officious Chairman palpitations.
As the boat is laid up at present wondering what to do with it, it has been suggested that I bring it to the clubs open and could use it to B.B. Q. sausages from the exhaust.
George.

[JayDee]

Hello,

 I wonder if the New Brighton Club Members have been told to keep quiet about the "Steam Ban"???.

 No replies from them!.

John.

[Netleyned]

Or too embarrassed to post on a forum with members who know more about steam models, health and safety,bye laws, councillor manipulation and, almost forgot,
Common sense.

Ned

[mersey dave]

Just as a matter of interest, NOT That i am against steam powered boats but what P.S.I. Do they run at. Yes i sail at New brighton but not a member.

The way i see it.......... A Prop driven by a high powered motor can quite easily take the fingers of a child and we have all seen it a boat on it's stand left switched on and someone comes along on the same frequency and the boat goes mad. So when it comes to Danger within model boats.....planes... cars .....helicopters were do you draw the line as they all have their dangers if miss used.

Regards Dave.

[Bryan Young]

Just as a matter of interest, NOT That i am against steam powered boats but what P.S.I. Do they run at. Yes i sail at New brighton but not a member.

The way i see it.......... A Prop driven by a high powered motor can quite easily take the fingers of a child and we have all seen it a boat on it's stand left switched on and someone comes along on the same frequency and the boat goes mad. So when it comes to Danger within model boats.....planes... cars .....helicopters were do you draw the line as they all have their dangers if miss used.

Regards Dave.

So you use the water, but are not a club member. If you or your boat have/cause an accident guess where fingers would point. BY.

[mersey dave]

Not a problem,  boat included in house insurance for 3rd party cover.

Regards Dave.

[Liverbudgie2]

Hello,

 I wonder if the New Brighton Club Members have been told to keep quiet about the "Steam Ban"???.

 No replies from them!.

John.

I am not a member, principally because I don't want to be associated with that butch of flatulence emitting old men. I do do have a steam launch though and I will not be taking one jot of notice of this so called ban when I reactivate her; you will be glad to hear that after which I shall await the court summons with alacrity.
I had been using the old lake at New Brighton for nigh on sixty years making use of sail, electric and steam powered models. I have not used the new mini lake for various reason's but, mainly due to the condition of the water which has not been changed since it was opened last year and is unlikely to be so in the near future either because the mains supply is yet to be connected.
This, in my juniced view, has more to do with someone wanting to make a name for themselves rather than their concern for public safety and has gone a lot further than the bullying idiot bargained for.
Can I also suggest that a defiant "steam in" be organised in the not to distant future at this venue to show our disdain for this"ban"
LB

[unbuiltnautilus]

Am I being overly simplistic in assuming that the Chairman of a Model Boat Club should be doing all in his power to AVOID model boats being banned, not going out of his way to encourage such 'draconian' actions. This sort of behaviour could have far reaching implications for all modellers, as council types rarely take 'facts' into account when making decisions, and word travels fast.

[The long Build]

I was going to contact the council to get clarification but unfortunately did not have much time today..

[rockets]

Strikes me as yet another club getting big brother to prevent any non members using THEIR water. It really gets to me how these cardigan commandos seem to think that they own every stretch of water in the land. The days of building a boat to have some fun with the kids at the local lake will soon be over if these lot get their way. Soon you will have to be a member of a club just to own a boat.

Fact, most small boilers would just split and release their steam in a oner, all this garbage about frag grenades is scaremongering to promote the interests of the club. Check your home insurance, I know mine covers me for £1m against damage caused by my posessions.

Having seen hand grenades go off for real, I doubt very much that a bit of copper at 60 psi could do the same.

If you want to join a club and be told that you have built your boat wrong or that it's the wrong shade of grey for a 1962 patrol boat then go ahead. Just don't set out to spoil the fun for those that don't. And stop letting the H&S brigade scare you into giving up your hobby.

Sorry, rant over, soap box returned to dark corner.

Dean.

[Dreadstar]

The instigators of this draconian measure should be asked to produce documented proof of any model boat boiler having 'exploded' and causing injury to a member of the public. As to the other charge that nitro boats can do the same.........have you ever tried to light nitro fuel??????

[essex2visuvesi]

Maybe they saw this episode of Mythbusters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4cscaFyItA

Ok hands up who wants their job? 

[brianB6]

Is this the same "Chair man" seen on TV programme "Coast" making facetious remarks about repairing model boats in winter so they could be sailed in summer? 

[Roadrunner]

Frankly this is just ********* banning engines and steam boilers in model boats eh? for what H&S reasons pfft, perhaps they should ban cars, lorry's, buses, trains , air craft for H&S reasons.. more people are hurt or killed in car incidents every year then a model boat accident since they first came about! and yet any idiot with a licence can drive! Aircraft can take out over 300 people at a time when they crash and trains the same!

In fact more people are killed when the jacks fail on there car when changing tires!

And if its all about the 'environmental impact' our boats have on local wild life... just point to BP and the oil leaks they have and say well its not even half as bad that them, or point out the past leaking oil tankers that have destroyed many beaches and local wild life...

As long as your insured and your boilers have there certificates ( like an MOT) what's the issue?! there isn't one!

pathetic it really is !