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Deanliddle84

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What are lipos?
« on: January 15, 2012, 12:28:28 pm »

We have a new boat. It has a 7.2v 1800 mah battery. If we get a 5000mah I know it will last longer but how much heavier will it be and will this  make the boat slower?
I have been told I won't have this problem with lipo battery's? What are these and will they also increase speed as well as lasting longer per charge? Cheers guys
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Timo2

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Re: What are lipos?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 12:44:33 pm »

Hi and welcome

    Battery's  ?

     Some links to look at    1 = http://batteryuniversity.com/about/

                                      2 = http://www.component-shop.co.uk/

          Timo2

  Hope this helps                             
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Re: What are lipos?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 01:58:56 pm »

We have a new boat. It has a 7.2v 1800 mah battery. If we get a 5000mah I know it will last longer but how much heavier will it be and will this  make the boat slower?
I have been told I won't have this problem with lipo battery's? What are these and will they also increase speed as well as lasting longer per charge? Cheers guys

Very simply, they are a new technology (Lithium Polymer) battery. They can store a lot of electricity, they are very light, and they have a very small internal resistance, so they can put out very high currents. They are much in use for electric planes.

They have some drawbacks. Each cell in a Lipo provides about 4 volts, but it mustn't be drained below about 3 volts. So running duration has to be tightly controlled. Lipo use is usually (though not necessarily) associated with brushless motors, which can make use of the phenomenal current flow a lipo can provide. So brushless ESCs often contain a voltage detection circuit which will shut down the motor when about 3 volts per cell is reached. Not too bad for planes - bit iffy for boats....

Lipos need special chargers called 'balancing chargers'. The charging process can be dangerous, because of the high energies involved. Lipos are very light, have softer sides than 'normal' batteries and so are easily damaged by denting. Such damage may cause a lipo to catch fire and burn fiercely.

You can see a selection of batteries and associated kit here: http://www.giantcod.co.uk/lipo-battery-c-1.html?max=50 
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Re: What are lipos?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 02:02:44 pm »

 A heavier boat will be a slower boat, so yes, the larger, heavier battery will allow it to run longer, but will at the same time sit it lower ion the water, so it will have to shove more water backwards to move forwards the same distance.
The various lithium types of battery hold a lot more power for the same weight and can deliver very high currents.
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Deanliddle84

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Re: What are lipos?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 03:04:58 pm »

Great replys guys. Thanks. Guess were best just sticking to this boat (our first) and getting top of the range ni-mh battery's (5000mah?)
And then maybe some better propellers? Is brass better than plastic or again as its heavier is that a drawback? Thanks
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cuppa

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 03:37:49 pm »

Hi Dean

The advice already given is very sound.

Lipo's are easy to use providing you stick within the guidelines and use an appropriate charger. You do not necessarily need a speed controller with a lipo low voltage cutoff although it desirable to do so. You can get lipo low voltage warning devices that sound a very loud buzzer when the lipo voltage is low - they can be bought for a few pounds on ebay and work very well. I use a warning devices and can hear the buzzer from the maximum range i run my boat at.

Some good information on lipo batteries can be found here: http://www.fastelectrics.net/lipos.php

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Re: What are lipos?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 06:36:54 pm »


And then maybe some better propellers? Is brass better than plastic or again as its heavier is that a drawback?


It's surprising what difference varying the propeller makes. I have doubled the power of a boat by changing a badly matched prop, but if you are using a ready-to-run boat it's probably already quite a good match. Unfortunately, there are no easy guidelines which will let people pick the ideal prop for their boat, and so it's all up to trial and error. I have heard people claim that metal propellers are more rigid than plastic/nylon, and hold their design shape better - but they're usually more expensive, and you can afford to experiment more with a number of cheaper plastic ones. The weight difference is minimal, and isn't an issue...
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Welsh Wizard

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 06:57:18 pm »

as above post the brass props are far better as they don't flex under load alas sorry to be the bearer of BAD news and believe you me I am no trying to belittle you or your boat but you can not change the props on the boat you have these are what they call Push on Props.To be able to change the props on a boat you have to have a proper prop shaft.IE one that is threaded on the prop end.

Please don't for one minute think I am slagging your model off NOT at all I just don't want you to get disheartened and buying the wrong stuff,basically it is classed as a ready to run boat and 99% of theses you simple can not modify.

Dave
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Deanliddle84

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Re: What are lipos?
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2012, 01:02:59 pm »

Great replys guys thanks.

as above post the brass props are far better as they don't flex under load alas sorry to be the bearer of BAD news and believe you me I am no trying to belittle you or your boat but you can not change the props on the boat you have these are what they call Push on Props.To be able to change the props on a boat you have to have a proper prop shaft.IE one that is threaded on the prop end.

Please don't for one minute think I am slagging your model off NOT at all I just don't want you to get disheartened and buying the wrong stuff,basically it is classed as a ready to run boat and 99% of theses you simple can not modify.

Dave
Dave, cheers for the heads up. I only asked as we got 2 spair propellers with this boat so assumed they had to be able to be changed. I'll have to check later when I get the boat out my brothers next door. Thanks
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Welsh Wizard

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Re: What are lipos?
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2012, 10:15:38 pm »

Hi yes the props are spares in case you break one thye simply push on


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