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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #150 on: September 25, 2012, 12:28:12 am »

Hi Cal, It will loosen up with running, just keep the bearings well lubricated, there is one oil hole on top of each standard, and one in the base casting, just by the regulator.
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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #151 on: September 25, 2012, 09:23:05 pm »

My Meccano parts arrived today.  Very quick considering the distance.  Now I can get back to the installation of the mechanics.  I'll put together what I can and post some pics for everyone's comment. 

This board has been a tremendous help with this boat, couldn't have done it without you all, and a special thanks to pettyofficernick for his Victoria specific help. :-)) :-)) :-))
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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #152 on: September 25, 2012, 11:20:16 pm »

Below are some pics of what I started with and what I have come up with.  I used the meccano wheel on the engine and the collar and pin on the propshaft.  Very similar to Nick's setup.  However I haven't included the second wheel.  This is very similar to what is on the Alexandra also.  This setup should produce little if any vibration and be able to handle the small angle with ease.  What do you think?











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« Reply #153 on: September 25, 2012, 11:36:52 pm »

Hi Cal, you have it in one there, good form, you are correct in saying vibration will be reduced, it is in fact negligible and small angles are dealt with without a fuss, plus there is the saving of space.
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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #154 on: September 26, 2012, 10:09:48 pm »

This is what it will look like in the boat.  An example of crappy metalwork but you get the idea.  This is just the template anyway, the final plate will be brass.  I won't be using black tubing as a cushion/buffer on the posts either. I'll have to think of something more authentic, maybe leather of some sort.  It's coming together slowly.... ok2





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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #155 on: September 26, 2012, 10:55:39 pm »

Just the ticket. Are you going to box in under the cutout for the coupling to stop oil and water going down inside the hull?
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« Reply #156 on: September 27, 2012, 11:27:50 am »

Cal, I have assebled a couple of the PM engines and one was loose and the other a little tight but I think it was just manufacturing tolerances. I did find that playing around with the dished washers and the adjustments on the bolts holding the cylinders to the standards helped a little but the thing that loosened the tight engine up well was just running it with the end of the crank driven by a battery drill. That way you are not having to coax it to run on steam or air and you will find it will improve quickly. Be sparing with the oil, a little is all you need as you do want it to wear the moving parts in. Cheers, Ian.
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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #157 on: September 27, 2012, 11:34:27 am »

And don't try to "run it in" with a drill at 10000 RPM.

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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #158 on: September 27, 2012, 04:13:20 pm »

Thanks Ian, that's a good idea.  I have a drill I can use for that purpose.  I suppose around 80-100 rpms to begin?  Then increase as it frees up?
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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #159 on: September 27, 2012, 05:16:19 pm »

I'd use the lowest rpm possible and lots of oil inside the cylinders and on all moving parts.
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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #160 on: September 27, 2012, 05:25:08 pm »

Also, if you have reverse on your drill, run it in both directions so everything beds down nicely, nice and slow with plenty of oil...... :-)) :-)) :-))
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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #161 on: September 27, 2012, 05:38:39 pm »

Sounds like good advice.  What kind of oil should I use?  Steam oil or an automotive synthetic? Or something else?
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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #162 on: September 27, 2012, 05:49:21 pm »

A light machine oil should do, I use Three in One as it is easy to get in small tins, sewing machine oil is also ok.
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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #163 on: September 27, 2012, 09:35:13 pm »

Just the ticket. Are you going to box in under the cutout for the coupling to stop oil and water going down inside the hull?
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Yes, that is something I was thinking about.  Not sure how to do it though.  Should I attach a 'box' to the bottom of the mounting plate so it comes off with everything else or should I just build it into the hull with access through the opening in the floor beneath the engine????  Lots of questions....     I'm sure I'll get some answers here though!
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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #164 on: September 27, 2012, 10:21:16 pm »

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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #165 on: September 28, 2012, 12:37:48 am »

I woukd build the box, or you could call it the sump, on to the bottom of the baseplate, that way it will be easier to empty with a syringe. That way will minimise the chances of oily water getting where it shouldn't......
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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #166 on: September 28, 2012, 12:59:18 am »

That sounds like a good idea to me.  Should I make it out of well treated wood or should I try to fab something out of metal?  The metal would be very difficult with the tools I have.  A wooden box attached to the bottom of the base plate would be relatively easy.  Along these same lines, how did you seal your engine room floor?  How do you keep water from getting under it?
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« Reply #167 on: September 29, 2012, 01:10:03 pm »

Hijacking my own thread a bit but its all part of the Victoria's build.  Below I have a proposed oil condenser.  I am starting with a small alcohol torch and adding the pipes as shown.  The steam/oil/water will enter from the left via a 5/16 (probably) copper or brass pipe.  The pipe will enter at an angle to promote circulation of the exhaust mixture within the condenser.  Both the spout and nozzle unscrew.  It is my intent to drill the nozzle and install the pipe that will go to the chimney.  A union will be installed in the "in" line to facilitate removal when necessary.  I should be able to remove for emptying by unscrewing the union then unscrewing the spout from the condenser.  This could be done without disturbing the 'in' or 'out' pipes.  I have looked at other condensers and they had a third pipe for emptying, but mine can be easily removed from the boat so I saw no need for the third pipe.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  Will this scheme work?  Any and all input is appreciated.



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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #168 on: September 29, 2012, 04:48:43 pm »

I see no reason why it would not work.
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« Reply #169 on: September 29, 2012, 05:12:00 pm »

Thank you Gerald, I will commence construction immediately!  I just needed someone who knows what they are doing to verify my plan.
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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #170 on: September 29, 2012, 05:25:04 pm »

Hi Cal, looks like a plan, go for it........
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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #171 on: September 30, 2012, 05:20:15 pm »

Another question...  (will I ever run out?).   With the setup I have, shown in the pic below, is covering the front hatches in the engine room floor going to be a problem?  They are there for me to add ballast to the front portion of the boat are they not?





It appears to my untrained eye that I will have a need for ballast in the back (aft?) end of the boat not the bow.  I think this is primarily caused by the horizontal boiler in a boat designed for a vertical one.





Please ignore the adult beverage in the cooler in the lower right.  I wouldn't want to be accused of BWI (Building While Intoxicated)!


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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #172 on: September 30, 2012, 07:11:40 pm »

Hi muleears. It also appears to the "trained eye" that the launch is bow heavy and as such, when you put it in the water, she may trim by the head. This is not necessarily the end of the world. The hull looks to me to be full bodied in other words she may float above her marks. This is how I would go about  getting it all right. First, stick some masking tape on the hull over the positions of the design waterline at stem, midships (both sides) and transom. Second, mark the waterline on the tapes. Third, fill the boiler to half way up the sight glass and fill the gas tank. Fourth, put the receiver, battery, servos and anything else that is to go on board in roughly their fore and aft positions. If you haven't built a bit yet then put the makings in roughly the same position that the finished item's center of gravity would be. Next fill the bath up nearly to the top so that when you put the boat in the tub the water doesn't spill over but you can get your eyes right down to see the actual waterline positions. When everything settles down, ignoring the trim for the moment, look at the midships draughts. If the boat is flying high you need to add weight, low down, amidships until she sits on her marks. If she has a list move the weight athwartships towards the high side until she's on her marks and upright. Let all settle again and then look at the fore and aft marks. One waterline mark will be underwater and the other will be above the water. Finally, move the weight parallel to the keel towards the end of the boat that is high. Move it bit by bit until the waterlines are all level with the water. Now find a way to keep the weight in position.
              If, (and I don't think they will be), when you first put the boat in the bath the midship marks are submerged, then you have a problem. In this situation you have to, either remove weight, or put up with the overloading like I did with my S. L. Wear. You can exchange the chimney for an aluminium one but not much else can be done.  To get the trim right you have to move a weight already on board towards the high end as before. A small weight moved a long way has the same effect as a large weight moved a short way. As I see it you can't move the engine aft or the boiler but what's staring me in the face is the gas tank. Could you consider moving it to the cabin or to near the afterdeck? I'm assuming that the Rx battery will be aft somewhere.
I hope this helps.
Jerry.

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Re: My Krick Victoria - MkII
« Reply #173 on: September 30, 2012, 07:26:57 pm »

I forgot to say how good she looks already!
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« Reply #174 on: September 30, 2012, 07:36:15 pm »

Jerry,
That is a great deal of very good information, thank you for the time you invested.  In the photo you see with everything in the boat,  none of it has been permanently fixed its all just sitting there.  I realize now is the time to get the balance squared away and your post tells me how.  I will investigate relocating the gas tank. Yes, the receiver, battery and rudder servo are mounted beneath the hatch on the stern deck.  At the moment I can't do the float test as the prop shaft has not been permanently installed and I would have quite a leak!  I still must build the cabin and seating area as they will add some weight to the stern.  This has been a most helpful post and I will utilize this method shortly when I am a little further along.

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