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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2012, 05:46:38 pm »
Quote from: Colin Bishop on November 11, 2012, 04:56:01 pm

Different museums seem to have different policies on photography. Very often it is due to the use of flash photography. Many people seem to be unable to turn the flash on their cameras off and that can make it very irritating for other visitors. Some museums claim that the flash can cause paintwork on exhibits to fade over time. While this may be true for paintings I doubt if it would apply to models. Another reason is that the museum may be selling images of the exhibits in the form of postcards etc. and they want people to buy these instead.
 
Personally I think that hand held non flash photography should be permitted in most cases but people do tend to think that rules don't apply to them. Japanese tourists are especially bad and take no notice at all of the pictograph signs.
 
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there are muesum I have been were the lighting is so poor you need a flash. most of the time a flash is no good against a glass show case. The old Glasgo transport muesum model section lighting was very poor. This explains why people use flashes.

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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2012, 06:18:40 pm »
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there are muesum I have been were the lighting is so poor you need a flash. most of the time a flash is no good against a glass show case. The old Glasgo transport muesum model section lighting was very poor. This explains why people use flashes.

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But as you say, flash is pretty useless in a museum because of all the reflections. To get decent pictures you need a camera which is effective in low light situations and ideally a tripod too although these are also usually banned, probably because theye are deemed to be a trip hazard. I was allowed to use a tripod at the London Science Museum last year but only under supervision! At the recent Model Engineer Exhibition Dave Abbott took most of the official photos of the marine exhibits and managed very well without flash on a handheld basis although he does have a professional camera and a fast lens. Most of my photos at Warwick yesterday were also taken without flash as you get a better result.
 
I still think it is the case that people firing off their flashes in the hope that they might get some sort of a picture can be very irritating. They will almost certainly be disappointed but they still do it. I've even seen people trying to take a photo of a cruise ship in the dark using a compact camera which probably has a maximum flash range of maybe three metres! Earlier this year I visited some caves in Slovakia which are a mile or so underground. There are pictorial signs everywhere forbidding photography, partly because the flash spoils the delicate lighting effects. As usual many people, mostly Japanese, took not the slightest notice. This happens a lot and so the operators simply turn all the lights off to discourage it. And what happens next? The Japs just turn on their phone screens..... >:-o
 
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2012, 06:33:18 pm »
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What right does The imperial war museum have to state no photographs? As a tax payer im funding this.Surely this attitude is totally wrong. John.

It gets worse, John - my ancestors paid taxes to fund all the Naval vessels whose plans are in the NMM. Surely there's no "secret" information on anything in there for the last fifty years at least? We should therefore have sensibly-priced access to anything they have ... and not have to put up with the off-putting prices for copies. >>:-(

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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2012, 06:46:08 pm »
Museums are cash strapped so they will do anything to maximise income. Mind you, I think that in the past some of them have felt that printing plans is a bit of a nuisance and have priced accordingly. I paid £50 for the plans of my Isle of Wight ferry back in the 1980s. A heck of a lot of money in those days.
 
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2012, 06:56:43 pm »
Quote from: Colin Bishop on November 11, 2012, 04:56:01 pm

Personally I think that hand held non flash photography should be permitted in most cases but people do tend to think that rules don't apply to them. Japanese tourists are especially bad and take no notice at all of the pictograph signs.
 
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Good for them!!!
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2012, 07:01:59 pm »
Quote from: dreadnought72 on November 11, 2012, 06:33:18 pm
It gets worse, John - my ancestors paid taxes to fund all the Naval vessels whose plans are in the NMM. Surely there's no "secret" information on anything in there for the last fifty years at least? We should therefore have sensibly-priced access to anything they have ... and not have to put up with the off-putting prices for copies. >>:-(

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They should do what the French Matime Museum did and put ALL their warship drawings on line and make them free for all to use: http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/02fonds-collections/banquedocuments/planbato/planbato/listebato/listebato.php
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2012, 07:07:19 pm »
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Good for them!!!

LB, Japanese tourists are a menace. They will just shove you aside if they think you are in their way. They might be polite to each other at home but abroad they really do feel they are the lords of creation. We have experienced it almost everywhere we go, it is really notiecable.
 
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2012, 08:34:07 pm »
heres some pics of the new york star from the blandford archives, newcastle,,,,, i have over 60 pics of archived models in storage and will start posting them,   regards brian_c
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2012, 08:39:53 pm »
here is a cable layer and hms kelly   some of these models show a lot of damage and dont think they will ever be restored and put back on display,
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2012, 08:45:49 pm »
heres stag lines begonia
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2012, 08:52:58 pm »
paddle steamer princess victoria  and a 1ww torpedo warship  i think {:-{
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2012, 09:03:21 pm »
heres the origional turbinia on display at the entrance of the museum
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2012, 09:31:59 pm »
Nice, well done ,no reflections on the glass case on that one  :-))    Keep them coming.
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2012, 11:22:56 pm »
Quote from: Colin Bishop on November 11, 2012, 07:07:19 pm

LB, Japanese tourists are a menace. They will just shove you aside if they think you are in their way. They might be polite to each other at home but abroad they really do feel they are the lords of creation. We have experienced it almost everywhere we go, it is really notiecable.
 
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Well shove back, don't be such a wimp your an Englishman remember.
Failing that make sure that you have some steel washers in your pocket and causualy throw them on the floor that will make them move. O0
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2012, 07:01:59 am »
Nice photos Bri, keep them coming.
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2012, 07:39:17 am »
IWM London does allow photography... unless its changed in the last month.  We were there last month and nowhere are there signs prohibiting it
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2012, 07:49:37 am »
heres the cargo vessel constantinos
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2012, 07:52:43 am »
more of the constantinos
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2012, 07:59:52 am »
Quote from: Liverbudgie on November 11, 2012, 11:22:56 pm
Well shove back, don't be such a wimp your an Englishman remember.
Failing that make sure that you have some steel washers in your pocket and causualy throw them on the floor that will make them move. O0
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Please do not take this as Zenophobia......just an amusing tale of my lack of tact
You all know me for my tact in all situations ( or lack of it).......well it comes in handy some times......
a couple of years back I and my family went for a cruise on the Sir Walter Scott on Loch Katrine, near Loch Lomond...........Well, on the same cruise was a coach load ( 50 odd of them) German Tourists.............we all know what they are like for getting their towels on to the seats at swimming pools....you couldn't stand up on the boat for people slidding under you and nicking your seat, or barging into the front of a que...
It came to a head when I was next in que to be served at the gift shop on dry land when two elderly women barged straight to the front of the que and demanded to be served as tgheir coach was waiting to leave.............
"just a moment I shouted.......you lot tried marching your way through Europe sixty years ago............it got you no where then......so get to the back of the que"..................both my family ( in embarrasment) and these two teutonic que pushers disappeared quicker than a ten quid note in a London bar....with cries of Dumkoft as they went..........I did get a round of applause from the other quing patrons though!!!! {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2012, 08:10:28 am »
Quote from: Neil on November 12, 2012, 07:59:52 am
Please do not take this as Zenophobia......just an amusing tale of my lack of tact
You all know me for my tact in all situations ( or lack of it).......well it comes in handy some times......
a couple of years back I and my family went for a cruise on the Sir Walter Scott on Loch Katrine, near Loch Lomond...........Well, on the same cruise was a coach load ( 50 odd of them) German Tourists.............we all know what they are like for getting their towels on to the seats at swimming pools....you couldn't stand up on the boat for people slidding under you and nicking your seat, or barging into the front of a que...
It came to a head when I was next in que to be served at the gift shop on dry land when two elderly women barged straight to the front of the que and demanded to be served as tgheir coach was waiting to leave.............
"just a moment I shouted.......you lot tried marching your way through Europe sixty years ago............it got you no where then......so get to the back of the que"..................both my family ( in embarrasment) and these two teutonic que pushers disappeared quicker than a ten quid note in a London bar....with cries of Dumkoft as they went..........I did get a round of applause from the other quing patrons though!!!! {-) {-) {-) {-)

Made me laugh and I'm sure a certain gentleman was smiling in his grave
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2012, 08:20:44 am »
heres a model of the japanese battleship  hatsuse which stood in lord armstrongs home for many years and now back on display in the museum
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2012, 08:24:14 am »
more of the   hatsuse
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2012, 08:25:56 am »
For the submarine fans, some more models from Munich.
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #48 on: November 12, 2012, 08:27:12 am »
last two of the hatsuse
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Re: Model ships in museums
« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2012, 09:55:05 am »
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IWM London does allow photography
they may do, but their model storage and display area is at the Smithery in Chatham Dockyard, and there's always a guy on the door warning you when you go in that you can't take photos.


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