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[RAAArtyGunner]

Thank you Essex, my sentiments entirely.  Neils work is stunning every day. I wish I had a shop teacher like you Neil when I was at school. Mick B.

Aha, but consider, thou mayest not have endeth in mechanical but woodworking.
 
The thought frightens me, a world full of Neils 
 
 
 
Neil, 

[Neil]

The thought frightens me, a world full of Neils 
 

My wife would agree with you totally Raaarty

[Rottweiler]

nightmares! I bet he would have been liberal with the clips around the ear too!
Mick F

[Neil]

Only ever gave the cane once in 20 years of teaching, and then I was forced to by the head teacher.........
 
and for today...........I soaked the bulwark capping rail tops in warm water, and them cut them to length and pinned in place to allow to dry.
 
also made the masters for the oar locks out of plasticard......they will be cast later in white metal from rubber moulds.

[irishcarguy]

Arty it could have been worse, two of us when we finished in the RAF decided we were going to immigrate somewhere & tossed a coin between Australia & Canada, Canada it was, true story, so Australia was saved from the Irish terror. Mick B.

[RAAArtyGunner]

Arty it could have been worse, two of us when we finished in the RAF decided we were going to immigrate somewhere & tossed a coin between Australia & Canada, Canada it was, true story, so Australia was saved from the Irish terror. Mick B.

Probably should have used two up coins to make sure

[irishcarguy]

Arty it sure would be nice to have some of your weather & sunshine right now. Australians are also much more nationalistic, we suffer from too much American influence in most things, it is uncomfortable sleeping next to the elephant, give me an Aussie or a Brit any day, much nicer people on the whole. Mick B. 

[derekwarner]

Neil...if you take those silly big black plastic bull dog clips away  ...some of those images look life like  ....... Derek

[Neil]

Neil...if you take those silly big black plastic bull dog clips away  ...some of those images look life like  ....... Derek

It'd fall apart then Derek.............thinkin how to mask them when she goes sailin' 

[heritorasphodel]

What I find interesting about the rudders on these old boats are that unlike newer displacement lifeboats, where the rudder slides up and down while the shaft remains fixed, on these boats the shaft is fixed to the rudder and comes up with it.


Andrew

[Neil]

yes, on the two I am building, the rudder and shaft are totally as one unit.......they don't move at all virtically.............no uphauling ropes, and it makes it so much easier to have the brackets holding the rudder fixed to the rudder shaft and any steering comes from the rudder head stock.

[heritorasphodel]

If you look at the photos you put up of the Maude Pickup, the photo of the boat on the beach with the crew posing alongside (second from bottom), in that photo the rudder has been raised, so it was possible.

The plans don't appear to show any means of hauling up the rudder though. Curious.

Andrew

[Neil]

oh yes, she had slight movement in the rudder, and that can be seen of her sitting on the old slip before fleetwood got the new slipway.......the movement was about  12 - 18 " but wasn't full uphaul like on her later replacement. i have a photo of her starboard quarter at sea, just afterlaunch, but can't find it at the moment, which shows a simple pulley type roller with a rope to the rudder and looks like tied off to a cleat.
 
the rudder, made from solid timber probably weighed several hundredweight and so sat where she fell, unless hauled up that 12"or so by brute force.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertbainesphotographic/3159805276/sizes/l/in/photostream/
 
having said that, having looked closer ar the shot above, there does seem to be a roller set onto the stern post just below where the belting ends at the stern, port side ( why it's not shown on starboard side profile plans,)..........with a rope feeding through it, which would pose a problem to the frames i silver soldered, should i want to uphaul my rudders............but ................can't be a****** changing it now, so will claim modellers  licence on that one, lol will put the roller and ropes on though for detailing effect
 

[heritorasphodel]

That's a nice photo... BASP has pretty much the same movement, with an up haul but no downhaul. It would have taken a good few men to lift it, but it was on a block which made it a little easier.


If you like I could put up a couple of photos of BASP's arrangement, it was probably a similar system. The model doesn't have to work.


Andrew

[Neil]

yes please andrew, that would be a help.
neil

[heritorasphodel]

Here it is, it's a bit dusty in the photo but it's just a wheel, in a frame, bolted to the sternpost, leading to a single eye on the portside of the rudder. Unfortunately all the haul up gear on the endbox has been long since removed.





Andrew

[Neil]

cheers andrew........that's good..........got as fitting for that that will do.
 
I think the uphall would have been a similar one, but can't find the glass plate photo of her starboard side yet..........in the depths of my workshop and at the moment........it's more untidy than usual, 
 
Looking at that set up though, she looks as though the rudder stock was the usual square bar type as on later boats, where as the two I'm building, are ( I am alsmost sure, ) round bar stock where the brackets fitted to the rudder are welded to the stock..............but having said that, I can't work out, by using the latter method of round bar where the uphaul motion comes from.................unless the brackets weren't welded, but have a tubular insert at the end of the bracker which slips over the round stock bar?????

[heritorasphodel]

On BASP, the top half of the rudder post from the upper hull bracket to the middle bracket is square, and below it's round. There's a round bearing with a square hole in the top hull bracket, and the other hull brackets have a round hole.

Andrew

[heritorasphodel]

Here's BASP:





the round section of the rudder post is less corroded than the square, so you can see where the two bits meet. The bracket on the rudder marks the end of the square section, while the bracket meeting it on the hull is on the round section. The fairing on the bottom is just a socket that the round section drops into.

All the brackets on the rudder are square, so that the post turns with the rudder and is held in place by the bearing at the top and the socket at the bottom.

Andrew

[Neil]

you see..........on the BASP, the steering was done through that linkage at the top of the rudder.....you can see it high up starboard side......where a rod comes through the cast iron square tunnel and links to the bar facing vertical fixed to the rudder itself........
 
Neither the motor sailor or the sailing boat have that arrangement, they are steered by (for want of a better word) the yolk that fits on top of the wooden rudder, and pulled via a series of pullies to the steering rod via rollers to the wheel.
very different arrangememnt to Basp.
 
neil.

[Neil]

sorry about the photos.........don't know what happened there. 

[Tug-Kenny RIP]

Neither do I.          But we can tell what it is, so no worries there.

Cheers

Ken

[irishcarguy]

That is one piece of fine first class workmanship by any standard. Keep it up Niel, it is like going to school every day and learning from the best teacher you can find, Mick B.

[Neil]

cheers Mick........appreciate the comments.
if you enjoy your work........it comes easier to do a good job...............my wife has given up asking me to put up new shelves, 

[RAAArtyGunner]

cheers Mick........appreciate the comments.
if you enjoy your work........it comes easier to do a good job...............my wife has given up asking me to put up new shelves, 

You should put them up    as she obviously wants to display your boats on them