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Mark T

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Re: 1/5 Riva Aquarama...
« Reply #325 on: July 04, 2025, 09:38:44 pm »

Hi David - I've been looking at your pictures and I thought that the deck looked really spot on.  A very brave decision on your part and sometimes we just have to get things exactly the way we want them - fantastic build.

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Re: 1/5 Riva Aquarama...
« Reply #326 on: July 07, 2025, 05:24:21 pm »

Hey Mark..!

Thanks for your note, and I dithered about removing the decking for weeks, but now pleased that its done.  I think it's now a lot better second time around, so worth doing for sure.

This is the new panels being shaped to fit, and so much better colour and grain match:



And have been able to sort the level change between the birch ply and the fore deck planks, here's the before and after:





This build is getting so much mileage out of the Proxxon belt sander..!

Had to work hard to get the mahogany deck panels held down while glue cured:



I've since moved on the the bow inlay, I've been looking forward to this part of the build, so really hope I don't screw it up... 

Started with the central section, it's an immediate challenge as the deck planking shape is curved for / aft and port / stbd.  I'm using 1.5mm mahogany so used the 3D printer to create clamps that grip and push down on the edges of the mahogany, and flex enough to conform to the for / aft curve.








And the result:



And next the fun part:



2 x 2mm lime / bass, and 6 x 2mm mahogany strips.  I'm having to chamfer the inner edges very slightly with the disc sander so the butted up joints are tight as they go over the curved surface.

And some more 3D printed clamps specifically for the 2 x 2mm strips.



Same clamps used to pull the 2 x 2 into shape:



As an aside, been trying hard to keep the grain all running fore / aft.



While I wait for the glue to cure on the endless inlay...  This is the throttle servo getting sized up / prototyped to be recessed into the side of the cockpit:



That's going to have a cover, then 'drive' the articulated arm of the skipper. That's the plan anyway.

Also been playing with and testing the GPS for the speedo, I now have the module / Arduino deflecting a servo depending on how fast the GPS is moving, so that's a good start.

That's about it for now, back to add another piece of inlay...   :-))

Best regards to all.
David.
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Re: 1/5 Riva Aquarama...
« Reply #327 on: July 10, 2025, 03:54:44 pm »

Afternoon All


Making progress...


My method for the inlay...  (and I'm sure if you ask 10 folks, there'd be 10 different methods..!)


I'm using the 'plank' clamps, here they're not clamping, but holding the rubber bands out of the way and ready to use:





Then I shape the next strip to be fitted and add that chamfer to keep the join tight:





Add a bead of glue, get the strip tightly fitted, and importantly remove excess glue. (Removed left of my thumb, still present at the right...):





Bring a clamp over to that first part, and adjust to get tension, forces are down and lateral to press new strip against existing:





And work along doing same, fit, remove glue, clamp:





Then let it dry for at least 30m before adding another strip.  All being well I end up with no glue residue that could cause an issue with next strip.


I had to order some more wood from CMB (as they originally supplied the wood I'm using as inlay), and mercifully it's same shade as the original...).


Getting closer now with the speedo...


I've added two LEDs that will sit in the dash, a red one for no GPS fix:





And a green one for when there are more than say 6 satellites:





Just a bit of fun really, they'll make the dash a bit more dynamic.


This shows some output from the GPS module, and some calculated values:





The 'GPS Speed Value' is data that comes out of the GPS module, it's in 100ths of a knot...  So the value fluctuates a bit even when the unit is stationary.  The 'Speed in knots' is a calculated field and rounded, so the small fluctuations are lost.  'Servo Deflection' is again a calculated field, in microseconds, sent to the servo.  I need to play with the ranges once I get the unit moving around to see how it behaves.  At the moment I have a speed range of 0 to 20 knots mapped to 1100 to 1900 microseconds, to get the servo to move based on the GPS 'speed in knots'.


That's it for now.
Best regards to all.
David.

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Re: 1/5 Riva Aquarama...
« Reply #328 on: July 10, 2025, 06:03:06 pm »

Beautiful planking David!  You make it look all so easy.  Your clamps are a work of genius, even if they are all held together with rubber bands!
I was amused by the date on you GPS output - you are into time travelling as well, until I realised that our American friends always write their dates backwards!
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« Reply #329 on: July 11, 2025, 05:59:35 pm »

Afternoon Tom

Thanks for that.  And excellent plan for a time machine, that's just what I need to get this build finished...  :-))

Might need something with more power than an Arduino though.

A few more strips added to the forward deck inlay today:



I am pleased with the clamps, they're a bit fiddly at times, and occasionally if I set them up wrong there's a 'ping' and clamp bounces off the wall.  But overall they do the job, still no pins used / holes created and very limited ways to use conventional spring clamps in this situation.

Very best regards to all.
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Re: 1/5 Riva Aquarama...
« Reply #330 on: July 11, 2025, 08:20:05 pm »

Those inlays - that really is top notch joinery and much more difficult than you make it look.

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« Reply #331 on: July 15, 2025, 05:18:41 pm »

Hey Mark..!


Thanks for that, I do enjoy doing the inlay, and I know it's the area of the boat that'll get a lot of attention when it's varnished and finished, so it has to be right..!  It's a rewarding part of the build for sure, but it takes a while..! I'm getting a few of the strips on each day so this is the current position:





Also been working a bit on routing some wiring for the dash, and putting together the controller modules for the various dashboard functions.  The controllers will work together in that they will power up at the same time, power in will be at 12V, one of those step downs is fixed at 5V for the Arduinos, the other will be set to 4V for the micro servos. I'm not sure about best way to power the LEDs at the moment, I think they are 3V, so I could run 4 in series from the 12V supply to cut down on wiring and resistors... 





They should end up mounted just behind the dashboard and attached to it, the dashboard is mounted on magnets so I'm trying to keep the modules hidden but accessible.  And I need the modules close to the dash as there's going to be quite a bit of wiring with the servos and LEDs, that should then reduce the wiring going back to the aft of the boat:





And in situ:





Still thinking about the dash I'm not really happy with the 3D printed instrument bezels going forward, they've been fine to work out sizes but my thought was to prime them and see if I could chrome spray them.  I now think that's a bit of a waste of time as the result will be dubious at best.  So I'm using some of the spare brass 25mm OD pipe that was used for the exhaust stubs, machine it a little then silver solder a plate to the front and machine it a bit more to see if I can produce a brass bezel...  That I can then get chromed properly when the various fittings get sent off for chroming.  25mm is right for the tachos, I'll then need some 20mm OD if it works and I go ahead with the approach for the remaining instruments.  Early days, we shall see:





That's it for now..!


Very best regards to all.
David.
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Re: 1/5 Riva Aquarama...
« Reply #332 on: July 15, 2025, 07:26:39 pm »

Instead of chrome spray try one of the chrome paint pens. These give a good shiny finish when used on resin castings. They also do refill ink bottles which could be sprayed in needed.
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Re: 1/5 Riva Aquarama...
« Reply #333 on: July 17, 2025, 05:38:06 pm »

Hi Jim


Thanks for the recommendation, I'll pick one of the pens up and see how it behaves.  I don't have a resin printer, just the filament (FDM..?) type, so I'm thinking to use a primer / filler to get a smooth surface.


The inlay is now complete on the stbd side:





I've not glued in the last few strips as I want to make sure the other side matches...  We'll see, then any adjustments can be made.





Also a little progress with the dash modules, they're now mounted and ready to get wired up to servos.





And in place:





I've been printing a case for the GPS too, pics to follow.


Best regards to all.
David.
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Re: 1/5 Riva Aquarama...
« Reply #334 on: July 19, 2025, 11:25:33 pm »

Totally in awe of what you're achieving with this build but nonetheless fascinating to follow...


Cheers,


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Re: 1/5 Riva Aquarama...
« Reply #335 on: July 22, 2025, 05:55:20 pm »

Afternoon Ray


Thanks for that, and good to hear from you..!


I wanted to get the forward deck inlay done, and it's now complete:





I actually used 2mm high inlay, with a 1.5mm surround and centre strip, you can see the height difference here:





This gives me a bit more scope for sanding to get the deck curve spot on, I hope...


Great job for the Proxxon belt sander (@ChrisF...  You need one..!), I'm on 240 grit at the moment:





Then I've used a flat ply sanding block with some more 240 grit to smooth any high points:





And so far so good...





The inlay took about 2 weeks to cut and get attached...





You can see a low spot to the right of the above pic, I'm not too worried about that area as there's another piece of mahogany to go on top in that area.











You can see the curve on the above pics, also the thickness of the inlay strips, this is after initial sanding so plenty of wood left this time around...   You can also see the symmetry is not bad, it's out by about 2mm over 420mm of inlay, very hard to see any issue by eye, each edge has a 'one and a half' width strip.


So I'm pleased and more than a little relieved that the inlay has gone well, it's such a visual area of the final build and important to get right.


Also been working on the dash instruments, pics to follow. 


And this is the GPS module that will provide speed input in it's final form:





It's going to sit in this kind of position (well under that part of the deck...), as this gets covered with a faux leather cushion.  So I plan to cut out the mahogany above the antennae so it get a good view of the sky, just the faux leather covering it.





That's about all for now.


Very best regards to all.
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Re: 1/5 Riva Aquarama...
« Reply #336 on: July 23, 2025, 12:24:21 pm »

David - superb workmanship as usual and all the technical installation etc. is intriguing. This is going to be a fantastic model once finished.

As regards the sander I'm ahead of you there! I bought one and a narrow belt sander sometime ago but they were gathering dust (instead of making it!) until I started on my Fisherman build where it was great for the initial sanding of the hull.

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« Reply #337 on: July 23, 2025, 03:01:29 pm »

Afternoon Chris


Thanks..!  And pleased to hear you've been getting some use from the belt sander, I don't have the narrow sander.  But I suppose if I've got this far without one, I probably don't need one.  Good to see progress with your fleet, hope we can catch up again at some point to get the boats on the water.


I forgot to mention in yesterdays update that I had put the Riva on the scales, I was a bit concerned and had been putting it off for a while...  To my great surprise it's currently 'only' 12.5kg.  That's most of the major woodwork, two quite heavy speakers in the bow, the motors / shafts / rudders, and the two electronics cases.  To be honest I thought it was going to be a lot closer to 20kg, it feels like it, but maybe thats because it's just a bit awkward to lift.  The 1/5 scale allows for a weight up to 30kg, but I don't want to be anywhere near that.  Anyway I'm quite pleased with 12.5kg at this stage of the build.  There is some more mahogany to be added, plenty of brass fittings, and the batteries of course, another 2kg ish there just for the batteries.  I guess the varnish and other paints will add weight too, I've got a kilo pot of Epifanes ready to go on.


And a couple of pics today, I had to see what the deck vents looked like in place:








And on the subject of brass fittings, I'm starting to consider how the Musetto up at the bow is going to work and what I'll need...





Just ordered some more mahogany for the raised side pieces at the bow, no idea what they're called, this is them on the 1/10th:





On the 1/10th build each side is made up from two pieces of mahogany 2mm thick, so 4mm total when laminated. The top surface has to end up horizontal (rather than have the camber that the forward deck has) so it's not possible to just clamp down and glue it without shaping the underside first.  I'm planning to build up another laminate from 2.5mm mahogany, ideally just 3 layers giving me 7.5mm.  I find the thicker mahogany just a bit more of a challenge to make it bend.  On the 1/10th, after the varnish it's impossible to see the two layers at all, it looks like one piece of wood.  Hope I can get same result from this one...


And finally, @JimG - I've just received a 4mm Molotow Chrome pen to do some testing with, I'll report back whether I can get a decent result on suitable parts.


Best regards to all.
David.

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Re: 1/5 Riva Aquarama...
« Reply #338 on: July 23, 2025, 06:12:06 pm »

Interested to see how you get on with the pen. I use Gild Chrome gilding enamel on my plastic window frames and I'm not that satisfied with it as it shows the brush strokes even though it looks as though they should flow out. Also over time it loses the chrome look and looks patchy. I can live with it on my narrow approx. 3mm frames but wouldn't be happy on larger items so hoping the pen gives better results.

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