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[Martin (Admin)]

The test was by Martin, but is not the GGlue I used, it has held everything together ( Engine mount, Battery box etc ) for over 7 years . So for me has worked fine on a Club 500, admittedly does not look great as I used the expanding type of GGlue ( Brown) but then inside look for this type of boat is not really important.

This stuff?

Gorilla Original Waterproof Polyurethane Glue,  Brown:    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gorilla-Original-Waterproof-Polyurethane-Bottle/dp/B094Q7VQ9B

[TheLongBuild]

Yes, that's the stuff.


However before applying I roughed up both surfaces, cut holes into the engine mount to let it oooze through like a rivet and serrated the edges and folded the glue over the edges.


Also need to apply weights to keep the sections down while expanding.


Not pretty but appears to be doing the job..

[Martin (Admin)]

I was very disappointed with the Gorilla Heavy Duty Grab adhesive but you live and learn ....
I've emailed Club500 and see what they say.

For further testing, I'm thinking off:

Screwfix: No Nonsense Solvented Grab Adhesive
Screwfix: Soudal Fix All Sealant & Adhesive Crystal

Amazon: E6000 PLUS Industrial Strength Clear Glue ( or Shoe Goo! )
Amazon: Everbuild Stixall Extreme Power Building Adhesive, Suitable for Automative Gap Filling and Sealing - White
Amazon: UniBond 1381190 Repair Power Epoxy Plastic
Amazon: Gorilla 5 minute Epoxy Crystal Clear  100% Waterproof & No Run Formula

..... thoughts please?

[Bustergrunt]

Here’s mine with the ‘plastic weld’….I Also used clips to keep the cables tidy, well it’s my day job so got to keep standards up

[Bustergrunt]

‘Nother photo, the orange strip on the battery box is a velcro ‘retainer’ so I’m not faffing about trying to wrangle the velcro every time

[zooma]

I was very disappointed with the Gorilla Heavy Duty Grab adhesive but you live and learn ....
I've emailed Club500 and see what they say.

For further testing, I'm thinking off:

Screwfix: No Nonsense Solvented Grab Adhesive
Screwfix: Soudal Fix All Sealant & Adhesive Crystal

Amazon: E6000 PLUS Industrial Strength Clear Glue ( or Shoe Goo! )
Amazon: Everbuild Stixall Extreme Power Building Adhesive, Suitable for Automative Gap Filling and Sealing - White
Amazon: UniBond 1381190 Repair Power Epoxy Plastic
Amazon: Gorilla 5 minute Epoxy Crystal Clear  100% Waterproof & No Run Formula

..... thoughts please?

I will  be using two part epoxy ( 20 minute cure) to assemble the components into the hull and Suodal FixAll Crystal to bond the deck to the hull as recommended by Malcolm Griffitt.
 
Sorry this thought has come attached to your quote Martin (and in the same blue colour) please modify for me please if you can. 

Many thanks - Bob.

 

[ChrisF]

Hi Bustergrunt - Where do you get your cable clips from? Thanks, Chris

[Bustergrunt]

They’re not specific cable clips, they’re for use with the removable adhesive backing tabs, but they work with the plastic weld which was the important bit

[ChrisF]

Ok, thanks.

[Martin (Admin)]

Good call Zooma!

From the manufactures....

..... I use and recommend a good two part epoxy for fitting all the hull parts except the battery tray which is done with Velcro.

Fixing the deck to the hull used to be done with Evo-Stick Nail & Seal which has now been updated to Evo-Stick Strong Stuff, available in white or clear, however another excellent one is Soudal FixAll Crystal which I first used on the Ghost model and works very well.

Regards,
Club 500 Slipway

[zooma]

I was very disappointed with the Gorilla Heavy Duty Grab adhesive but you live and learn ....
I've emailed Club500 and see what they say.

For further testing, I'm thinking off:

Screwfix: No Nonsense Solvented Grab Adhesive
Screwfix: Soudal Fix All Sealant & Adhesive Crystal

Amazon: E6000 PLUS Industrial Strength Clear Glue ( or Shoe Goo! )
Amazon: Everbuild Stixall Extreme Power Building Adhesive, Suitable for Automative Gap Filling and Sealing - White
Amazon: UniBond 1381190 Repair Power Epoxy Plastic
Amazon: Gorilla 5 minute Epoxy Crystal Clear  100% Waterproof & No Run Formula

..... thoughts please?

I use a lot of Shoo Goo reinforced with self adhesive plasterboard tape to strengthen and repair my 1/12 scale Lexan body shells as it stays flexible and does not embrittle the plastic.

1/12 LMP and GT12 racing cars are very fast and body damage is the “norm”. Those with better funding just buy (and paint) lots of new body shells, but this is very expensive and wasteful. Shoo Goo helps to preserve a little more of my pension for other hobbies (such as model boats)

Shoo Goo is very expensive and comes from the USA (via Amazon) and I have been looking for a less expensive alternative......but not found one yet   

Your testing with this on the Club 500 plastic would be interesting as it is massively strong when used with the self adhesive glass fibre plasterboard tape and would be perfect for reinforcing and repairing the thin (less than1.5mm) hulls ....as long as it does not attack and distort the polystyrene that is used to vac form the kit parts from.

I have never tested it as a construction adhesive, but it is incredibly strong and if it works it could tick all the boxes 

Apparently it can also be used to repair and waterproof shoes .............
 
 
 

[Martin (Admin)]

Shoo Goo is very expensive and comes from the USA (via Amazon) and I have been looking for a less expensive alternative......but not found one yet   

What about B7000 Glue Adhesive  ?

[Tug Fanatic]

What about B7000 Glue Adhesive  ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-wkBT1zuu0&t=29s

 
Glues for plastics are very difficult. I am not sure exactly what plastic the Club 500 is made from. Has anybody asked the manufacturer? As you know this does matter.

[Martin (Admin)]

 
Comment from Utube video ....

The problem is that construction adhesive, which is what you have there, relies solely on a mechanical bond, and strongly prefers fairly rigid materials to join. The actual adhesive isn't particularly strong, and it relies on a large contact area to maintain strength. If you can bend up one corner, you can overcome the adhesive one tiny spot at a time. I suggest looking for adhesives that contain solvents for the plastic in question, so that you can obtain a chemical bond, or adhesives that are known for their remarkable mechanical bonds. Here in the States, we have a glue called "plastic surgery" - it's one of 2 products by a company called "Surehold" that combine CA glue and an aggressive solvent. It will bond most plastics. I would think there are equivalent glues in the UK. I would also suggest sanding she surfaces with fairly course sandpaper and trying epoxy. That works on blow-molded DF65 hulls when they crack. Best wishes with this!

[Bustergrunt]

The problem is that there isn’t a gapless joint all the way round the contact area, so a degree of gap filling property is required.
I agree re sanding the ‘contact’ areas to provide a key and tack joining in place with ‘plastic weld’ where firm plastic to plastic contact is made, but then filling the rest of the joint with a flexible adhesive.

[Martin (Admin)]

I'll be having another go tonight ..... 

[Big Ada]

Which type Len?

 This stuff? - FloPlast SC250 Solvent Cement - https://www.wickes.co.uk/FloPlast-SC250-Solvent-Cement---250ml/p/175692

No, That is the Glue,
I get mine from a Plumbers Merchants, it is the CLEANER not the glue.




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[Big Ada]

Plus if you put a small amount of the Cleaner into a container plus some small clippings of the styrene off cuts, it makes it thicker for gap filling.

[Bustergrunt]

Plus if you put a small amount of the Cleaner into a container plus some small clippings of the styrene off cuts, it makes it thicker for gap filling.

Could that be used as a re-enforcement for the bow?

[Martin (Admin)]

.... today's test..... new adhesive already on order!

[zooma]

What about B7000 Glue Adhesive  ?

Not tried B7000.  Is is a substitute for Shoo Goo?

[zooma]

 
Glues for plastics are very difficult. I am not sure exactly what plastic the Club 500 is made from. Has anybody asked the manufacturer? As you know this does matter.

Apparently it is Polystyrene - NOT ABS !

[Tug Fanatic]

If Polystyrene then traditional plastic kit glue would do the job. This included a solvent so it welds rather than glues.

[zooma]

It is actually HIPS.


High Impact Polystyrene.


Hope this helps 

[ChrisF]

3M Scotch-Weld Low Odour Acylic Adhesive DP810 sounds ideal as not only does it glue HIPS as the name says it is low odour and no fumes. Also you have 10 minutes working time with 20 minutes setting and curing in 24 hours. Downside is that it is quite expensive at around £15.00 but then most quality adhesives generally are.

Another option is to use a suitable adhesive tape 3M will do one.

Chris