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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #200 on: February 01, 2021, 02:03:25 pm »


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I agree with what you are saying but I would add something. Around here the driver has often been food processing factories. There is something about this industry that seems to attract the problem. There may well be other industries that have similar problems. Perhaps a rethink of health & safety at work is needed. Not all transmission is via stupid recreation, refusal to wear masks etc .

Nothing that I am saying here reduces my horror at blatant disregard of basic protocols, such as social distancing and basic hygiene.

I believe that, without question, we are in a total war situation with this virus and that we need to win it. I admit that I don't think that some of our strategy has been optimal but I definitely don't believe that we can simply let the virus go & see what happens.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #201 on: February 01, 2021, 02:09:24 pm »

Their was a bit of research on the news recently re. where were people catching the virus ? what were the sources which was keeping the current infection rate high ? They looked at supermarkets , public transport, schools ,hospitals , but NO. What their research led them to conclude was that it was none of these but was in fact people socialising, either within family groups or amongst friends and acquaintances . Apparently no matter how much you cajole them or try to scare the wits out of them with operation fear a large proportion of the community are impervious to such strictures

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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #202 on: February 01, 2021, 02:12:13 pm »

As the saying goes "viruses love crowds".
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #203 on: February 01, 2021, 02:13:51 pm »

Almost everyone I've heard of testing positive got it from being in a hospital or in contact with someone in healthcare.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #204 on: February 01, 2021, 02:19:31 pm »

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Not all transmission is via stupid recreation, refusal to wear masks etc .

No, of course not, I agree there are hot spots and food processing centres here and abroad are known ones. Same with post office sorting centres where the staff all stand next to each other. Even the DVLA is a hot spot but I've not worked that one out! I think it does go to show that lack of social distancing and confined poorly ventilated spaces are a key drivers, wherever they occur. Some air conditioning systems are not well filtered either and many workplaces do not have opening windows.

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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #205 on: February 01, 2021, 02:27:38 pm »

Now you can buy a fake test certificate to make your travel easier.  <:( <:(
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55890168

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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #206 on: February 01, 2021, 02:37:37 pm »

No, of course not, I agree there are hot spots and food processing centres here and abroad are known ones. Same with post office sorting centres where the staff all stand next to each other. Even the DVLA is a hot spot but I've not worked that one out! I think it does go to show that lack of social distancing and confined poorly ventilated spaces are a key drivers, wherever they occur. Some air conditioning systems are not well filtered either and many workplaces do not have opening windows.

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The more effective the filtering in ventilation, the more power it consumes - and more regular maintenance.

Carbon filters are like sucking through a brick.

There's often a local cultural aspect to a lot of these hotspots.


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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #207 on: February 01, 2021, 02:40:54 pm »

...................Even the DVLA is a hot spot but I've not worked that one out!.................

Colin
Neither have I.

Poor ventilation is very likely, or a staff canteen or a thousand other possibilities. I hope that work is being done to investigate things such as this. As I said changes to health & safety might well be needed.

As an aside on ventilation we were on a coach (in the old days when people did such things) when the driver suddenly went ballistic over the pa system. Someone on the coach had used an aerosol perfume and within seconds the whole coach stank. He demanded that no more aerosols be used. It could just as easily have been a Covid virus aerosol from someone coughing. I can feel a requirement for virus particle size filtering in recirculating ventilation systems being a requirement very soon. Funnily enough aircraft, which seem to be a popular blame situation, probably are not as bad as they normally already are well filtered.

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I hear what you are saying but I cannot accept that doing nothing is a good alternative. Everything has a cost but sometimes it is a cost that you need to bear even of it means spending a little less on something else that you would like.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #208 on: February 01, 2021, 03:27:35 pm »

The latest major outbreak over here in coastal Suffolk was the Hollesley Bay open prison.Again restricted social distancing for obvious reasons but doesn't help the local stats.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #209 on: February 01, 2021, 06:00:36 pm »

What annoys at times is the logo protect the NHS keep to the rules. Trouble is the local hospital QA in Portsmouth is very often full up this time of year. My wife last Feb went into with suspected Cardiac problem to A&E there, spent the night on a trolley at the back of A&E behind a cotton screen, having to put with screaming drunks etc. But when you look into it, the number of beds per capita is twice the number in Germany to here. Portsmouth once had 5 x hospitals, a big Victorian one sold for building on, St Marys another big hospital which straddled the road from Fratton to Southsea, St James a mental Hospital sold off for conversion into posh flats, all that was kept was the small one on the Hill called Queen Alexandra, that did have about ten large geriatric wards, when they enlarged with a PFI grant those wards were demolished and it has less beds. Now Southampton General has to pay Q.A a large cash sum each year along with Chichester and Winchester hospitals.  When the RCN persuaded the government to abolish in house training of Nurses and put the training out to Hospitals for year 2000. The Government jumped at it, then people who got their degrees for some years were only short term contracts of 8,10 months, alot went else where such as police etc, which caused a shortage, with the NHS having to go oversea to recruit. So now the politicians have a perfect storm caused by some years of salami cutting.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #210 on: February 01, 2021, 06:02:29 pm »

What annoys at times is the logo protect the NHS keep to the rules. Trouble is the local hospital QA in Portsmouth is very often full up this time of year. My wife last Feb went into with suspected Cardiac problem to A&E there, spent the night on a trolley at the back of A&E behind a cotton screen, having to put with screaming drunks etc. But when you look into it, the number of beds per capita is twice the number in Germany to here. Portsmouth once had 5 x hospitals, a big Victorian one sold for building on, St Marys another big hospital which straddled the road from Fratton to Southsea, St James a mental Hospital sold off for conversion into posh flats, all that was kept was the small one on the Hill called Queen Alexandra, that did have about ten large geriatric wards, when they enlarged with a PFI grant those wards were demolished and it has less beds. Now Southampton General has to pay Q.A a large cash sum each year along with Chichester and Winchester hospitals.  When the RCN persuaded the government to abolish in house training of Nurses and put the training out to Hospitals for year 2000. The Government jumped at it, then people who got their degrees for some years were only short term contracts of 8,10 months, alot went else where such as police etc, which caused a shortage, with the NHS having to go oversea to recruit. So now the politicians have a perfect storm caused by some years of salami cutting.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #211 on: February 01, 2021, 06:49:45 pm »

Lots of mistakes have certainly been made but you start from where you are and not where you would like to be. Retribution will have to wait.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #212 on: February 01, 2021, 06:55:30 pm »

Lots of mistakes have certainly been made but you start from where you are and not where you would like to be.

I had a manager that would always say that - it was easily translated into "I've screwed you over for the past 10 years but you have to forgive and forget so I can screw you over some more."
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #213 on: February 01, 2021, 09:04:00 pm »



Lots of mistakes have certainly been made but you start from where you are and not where you would like to be. Retribution will have to wait.



But it never happens.


Those responsible for the screw-ups always get away with it as they have mates who are 'up there'......  >:-o
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #214 on: February 01, 2021, 09:57:10 pm »

I tend to agree about retribution but we still have to start from where we are.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #215 on: February 02, 2021, 07:56:43 am »

The spread of the South African variant, with the uncertainty that existing vaccines are very effective, sounds like a big blow. The tests might slow down the spread but I am expecting will not stop it.


Why on earth did they ignore the Sage warnings seems ago?
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #216 on: February 02, 2021, 09:43:34 am »

So don't forget the 2 Brazilian variants, Californian one and the dozens of others likely to be scattered to the winds and enter countries by the back doors. They'll appear here at some stage and the reactions will be as predictably slow as normal. Possibly right decisions but too late to be effective. Testing the populations of the "known" outbreak points is apparently of the "Here's the kit, please use it and we'll pop back later" routine. Don't upset anyone or force the issue because that's not how we do it in England.Perhaps we need to get a tad less used to that way?

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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #217 on: February 02, 2021, 09:56:18 am »

I’m no epidemiologist, but it’s safe to assume that this virus will mutate many times, after all, the common flu virus changes every year. This means that manufacturers are continually modifying their vaccines to keep up, so I would guess that Covid will be no different.


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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #218 on: February 02, 2021, 10:33:06 am »

Peter

The literature would seem to agree with you.

The difficulty seems to be the speed at which the virus is mutating, encouraged by the enormous number of cases. This gives so much potential for mutation.

The virus, in the present environment, is mutating faster than it appears that we can, or a willing to, control it.

Lets hope that what the world is doing is enough to reduce the numbers infected by the required amount.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #219 on: February 02, 2021, 11:14:25 am »

With the ability of the virus to mutate and there being (as of yesterday) 11 people being detected without any links to travel - has it ever occurred to anyone that the SA mutation is not imported but home grown, likewise its ability to mutate means we could see the Brazilian variant through the natural mutation of the current variant
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #220 on: February 02, 2021, 01:43:31 pm »

With the ability of the virus to mutate and there being (as of yesterday) 11 people being detected without any links to travel - has it ever occurred to anyone that the SA mutation is not imported but home grown, likewise its ability to mutate means we could see the Brazilian variant through the natural mutation of the current variant.................... :D

Given the number of identification factors this, whilst never impossible, is extremely unlikely.

The new UK mutation reported this morning is definitely interesting.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #221 on: February 02, 2021, 02:06:12 pm »

Oooh Just had a text to book mine !!! 

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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #222 on: February 02, 2021, 02:27:51 pm »

To those who have had the jab.
When do you find out which vaccine you are getting?
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #223 on: February 02, 2021, 02:50:08 pm »

To those who have had the jab.
When do you find out which vaccine you are getting?


All the people I know were told at the time.

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« Reply #224 on: February 02, 2021, 02:57:55 pm »

Had my vaccination on the 29th, all depends on which vaccine the clinic recieves that day, mine was the Pfizer one, no side effects :-))
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