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Re: Not welcome to the hobby
« Reply #75 on: June 08, 2006, 08:12:29 am »

I have read this thread with great interest, Having been a past Chairman of Cheddar Steam Club I was always aware that our members would bend over backwards to welcome folks into the hobby, while being a member of another local club I found there were members who were quite rude even to fellow members when they required frequency pegs! I would add that in this day & age it might be a bit naive to turn up lakeside with only one set of crystals for your radio! I know some folks turn model boat building for 50p into an art form, but it should be obvious that there may be folks with the same frequency as you at the lake. I have often come off the water & changed frequency or even loaned a set of crystals to let someone else sail but I have pointed out to them that it may be better for them if in the future they invested in another set of crystals.
Cheers all, Happy boating!
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« Reply #76 on: June 08, 2006, 06:28:36 pm »


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But the club will control when and for how long they can sail, so the frequencies are controlled
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Re: Not welcome to the hobby
« Reply #77 on: June 11, 2006, 09:38:01 pm »

I've just been to an open day of the Bury Metro club in Clarence Park, Bury. As on a previous occasion,  I found them very open and friendly. Nice venue, too. I'll be joining as soon as I can get myself sufficiently organised to complete a boat.

Don't hold your breath!
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« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2006, 08:59:42 pm »

My family, nephew and my self have just been sailing down at the boating lake in Barry South Wales. You could not wish to meet a nicer more welcoming bunch of fellows. PIT
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« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2006, 09:10:08 pm »

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"If I go along to any pond how do I know there is a club using it let alone the times they sail or the frequencies they use?

Julian"

A group of sailors, should give a clue, ?it would be foolish to just turn on and launch without checking (politely) it may be your boat that sinks!

Said club would have a safety officer/frequency control, mandatory health and safety guidlines.

Our club is a relative new jobbie, [4-5 years]

 I went to look at a lake I used to sail on 56 years ago, something to occupy myself, inability to see gliders anymore,
there were 4 old fogies sailing and chatting I was made welcome and turned up the following week with a hull I had started, (this one is still under the bench, built a few since)

The few of us decided to find insurence 'to be on the safe side' when we found it cheaper to insure from within a club. So we did

there are now 29 members. ?And yes we have the proverbial 'nark' but we do welcome newcommers (our youngest member is 10) but the average age must be 60+
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« Reply #80 on: June 22, 2006, 01:06:07 pm »

I've just been to an open day of the Bury Metro club in Clarence Park, Bury. As on a previous occasion,? I found them very open and friendly. Nice venue, too. I'll be joining as soon as I can get myself sufficiently organised to complete a boat.

Don't hold your breath!

possibly one of the best lakes in lancashire.. :)
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« Reply #81 on: June 24, 2006, 08:32:08 pm »

Strange that Blubird should mention Tynemouth Club. I was a member for two years but could only get to the water on when the club was active on Tuesday and Thursday mornings. I have to admit that I found the members exceptionaly cliquiy and? unfriendly and in at least one instance out and out obstructive.? This was explained to the membership secretary when he called earlier this year to ask why I had not renewed my membership, but I have to admit he did not seem to be very interested. I have since checked my home insurance policy and find that I am covered for third party insurance when sailing model boats, within certain limits, so I now see no reason to join a club as all of the club waters in this area including Tynemouth boating pond are public places and there is nothing to stop me sailing? on them any time that I want to.

Ok serious mode, I felt that I had no choice but to join the forumn and pass comment on the above.

As some of you may or may not know, clubs and this forumn for that matter, are run by unpaid volunteers with no vested interest other than to promote the hobby and bring together like minded individuals. It is all too easy for people to pass comment and criticize for the outside in, but same individuals will not step up to the plate and show the rest of us how to do it, no that is too much like hard work. Another good thing about clubs is what I would describe as modellers interchange, were skills and tips along with offers of practical help and support are also freely given.

Now to quote Mr Hammond, If I was not concerned that he had not renewed his membership, I would not have bothered to call him, he was amoung thirty people I contacted, 95% of the people I contact had just plain forgot that their subs were well overdue and a great majority appreciated a personal telephone call to let them know of the fact,  instead of having their membership blindly terminated. I listened patiently while he told me his reasons for not rejoining along with a threat of physical violence towards myself.

Amongst every gathering of people you are going to find one or two individuals due to their personalities, don't quite fit in, but are tolerated by the group as a whole, is that not the purpose of a club. Judging by our friend's listing which is his opinion and he's entitled to it, that clubs are not his thing and he'd rather sail as an individual, a fair point and his choice, but to tar everyone with the same brush is very unfair.
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« Reply #82 on: June 24, 2006, 11:28:18 pm »

On a slightly different tack, as it were, I know of several clubs where certain sections meet and sail during the normally accepted 'working day', ie 9 to 5.  This does make it kind of hard for those of us unlucky enough to still have to work ( or at least just turn up!), to join in and get to know people.  It does make me think that perhaps they don't want younger members?  Of course I'm sure there are many, many clubs which don't do such things, but it does make you wonder about the ones that do!

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Re: Not welcome to the hobby
« Reply #83 on: June 25, 2006, 11:56:34 am »

Ithink it is a shame and very shortsighted not welcoming new members whatever their age.
I have lost count of the number of times that I have spent on a sunday afternoon refitting and testing the electrics out on a new members boat or a non-member, letting their children sail my boats, yes they get slightly knocked now and again, almost as much as when I am putting them in the car!!
This is my hobby, my relaxation.
I cant be bothered with hastle at the pondside and tend to ignore some of the more ignorant ones.
There have been lots of points raised in this thread, all valid, I just hope its people letting off steam and not the general trend within our hobby.

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Re: Not welcome to the hobby
« Reply #84 on: July 01, 2006, 05:27:24 am »

I like Magpie live in Australia, but I am not on the mainland, I am in Tasmania, we have formed a group not a club and we have obtained insurance, we welcome anybody and everybody as the more people we can attract to our group the better the group can exist, I know some people can be grumblebums but the main stream are usually good people, we are the Tasmanian Sub Group but everyone has more than just subs, you name it virtually and someone will have. If you have trouble with any club or group member instead of complaining about on here you should be contacting the committee of the club involved and see if they will help you sort out the problem, as it is in their best interest to do so, otherwise as stated on this forum more than once the membership of the club will dwindle and it will  die out. So make your self known and take it from there, but the most important thing to remember is you are supposed to be enjoying what you do...

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Re: Not welcome to the hobby
« Reply #85 on: July 02, 2006, 09:50:14 pm »

Q: What's the easiest way to start a fight?

A: Put three model boaters in a room and lock the door as you leave.? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Regards, Malc

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Re: Not welcome to the hobby
« Reply #86 on: July 03, 2006, 06:55:38 am »

Malc

Your club meetings must be a real hoot. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #87 on: July 03, 2006, 09:11:59 am »

Hi Doug

I'm a manufacturer for my sins and don't belong to a club (Both Carol and I are proud to be Honoury Members of Runcorn MBC, but never have the time to sail there) - I'm just not tough enough for most model boat clubs. (Imagines Ron H itching to respond? ;D ;D ;D)

It's really sad, we get to meet loads of model boaters on our trade stand.? Carol and I have made many dear friends this way. Most of these guys are quite senior but WILL NOT learn that life is far too short to get involved in the petty in-fighting that goes on all of the time.? We watch friends fall out and spending what's left of their lives avoiding each other. (and no, I'm not writing about anybody specifically). As manufacturers and involved in the Trade, we NEVER take sides, and often are put into difficult situations.

Truth is that you're a long time dead....Just wish that everybody would lighten-up generally and start getting along together.

Regards, Malc

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« Reply #88 on: July 03, 2006, 10:23:21 am »

Here here I totally agree, lifes far to short. I am glad I have joined such a wonderful and friendly club  in Yate and Sodbury MBC. Its a joy to attend and even on a bad day when the boat breaks down there is allways lots of help at hand to sort the problems out.

Yate and Sodbury MBC are one of the most friendliest and helpful clubs around.

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« Reply #89 on: July 03, 2006, 02:59:56 pm »

Hi Daryl

Where is Yate & Sodbury MBC? Never come across that one before? How about some pics?

Regards, Malc
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« Reply #90 on: July 04, 2006, 09:46:14 am »

Hi Malcolm,

Yate and Sodbury MBC meet at Kingsgate park Yate which is a small town just outside Bristol by jct 18 of the M4.

The lake is a very tranquil place to sail with vandelisum at a minimmum, the majour problem we have is with Canadian Pond Weed ( Elodia Densia) with has taken over the lake along with blanket weed. The council has very little money to spend so most of the time we clear an area for us to sail as the lake is only around 5-6ft deep. Being on the parks committe does help in getting our interests across

YSMBC  has around 40 members of all age ranges and interests, I have never meet such a more friendly and helpful group. We are a member of SWAMBC and more details of our club can be found on their web site www.swambc.org  and if you look in the scale stearing section there is a few pictures posted of the recent stearing round we hosted. The picture below is of my Corvette on the lake, the area visable is about 1/3 of the water available.

we hold three reggattas a year plus in June July and August the monthly meetings are at the lake along with a winter series steering competition. Monthly meetings generate on average a 80% turnout of members where we have quizes and talks from the members on all aspects of model and full size boats.

It is an absolute pleasure to belong to such a friendly group who welcome anyone into their ranks.

Daryl
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Re: Not welcome to the hobby
« Reply #91 on: August 11, 2006, 04:11:45 pm »

Pointy, I have to say that my experience isn't that much different to yours...except I'd actually paid to join my local club, so I was 'legitimate'.

The majority of the members of the local club are extremely standoffish, giving only a grunt when asked which frequency they're using, or even in one particular case no reply at all!

It's a few months since I've been to my local club pond (they don't meet regularly in the evenings for 'non-waterside' events) and I notice that I haven't received a renewal request for this years payment (due last month I believe) and neither have I received any of the newsletters. I guess I've been 'deselected'.

I did mail the secretary of another club within reasonable reach of us as it seemed their facilities were more suited to my wifes disabilities. I received an extremely terse response saying it wasn't suitable for disabled use. Not even an invite to find out for ourselves (disabilities differ you know!).

I'm extremely disappointed in my involvment in clubs so far and as things stand haven't decided what to do yet. I'm loath to give more money to a club that seems to be a 'closed shop' for newcomers, despite best efforts in making conversation.
Dave I live in Southampton and am disabled myself. I am just completing my first ship and am looking for a club to join. My nearest seem to be in the New Forest do you know anything about them [Waterside and Solent]. I can walk but only short distances as I have emphysema.
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« Reply #92 on: August 11, 2006, 04:44:49 pm »

Richard, why not try the New Forest club? They sail at Setley near Brockenhurst, it's just west of the Lyndhurst to Lymington road. I haven't been along there for many years, but I always found them very friendly. There's nearby parking, so you shouldn't have any problems with that. The only bad thing is the lake itself, it can get rather low in dry weather, so maybe not too good at the moment, but go along and see for yourself.
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« Reply #93 on: August 11, 2006, 05:33:39 pm »


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Clubs do not own frequencies, nor do they (necessarily) own the right to exclusive use of public waters.?
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But the club will control when and for how long they can sail, so the frequencies are controlled

They have no jurisdiction over members of the public using public waters and cannot enforce that, only request.
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« Reply #94 on: August 11, 2006, 05:49:26 pm »

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"If I go along to any pond how do I know there is a club using it let alone the times they sail or the frequencies they use?

Julian"

A group of sailors, should give a clue, ?it would be foolish to just turn on and launch without checking (politely) it may be your boat that sinks!

Said club would have a safety officer/frequency control, mandatory health and safety guidlines.

Oh, thanks Tug, hadn't occured to me to look for other boaters!!

If you call launching on a deserted public pond foolish then that's up to you.  It was just a shame when a horde descended and without a word or even acknowledgement to me set up their peg board and started launching. This horde was a club. There were no signs saying a club used the pond at all let alone the times they sailed. So I packed up and went home and not one spoke to me. That's what I call bully boy tactics and it's uncalled for.
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« Reply #95 on: August 12, 2006, 02:55:10 pm »

Hi Croakie
At the water where we sail, my club does have a sign., fixed to the waterside guard rail just where nearly everbody has to walk past to lanch.  Most people just don't look at signs, let alone read them.  The lake was also infested with wild life a - I say infested because at times it was difficult to get a boat onto the water between them.  The council and RSPB put signs up a couple of years ago advising the public about the problems caused by bird feeding, and could they please desist.  Many folk have seen them and have taken the advice.  Some have seen them and walk another way to the pondside to pollute the area with stale bread.  Some just ignore them.  Things have improved, though.
When we are sailing, it is not unusual to have somebody stroll up to the pondside, see us there with boats and transmitters, and launch without saying anything.  Needless to say, these are invariably people who have just bought their offspring one of the instant dissapoiontment boats with duff radios.  We always try to explain to them what sort of problem they have bought into and try to let them have a sail, then, while we are rescuing the boat, we tell them about our club.  You only get one chance to make a first impression, sio its a good idea to try to look friendly and helpful.  Eventually you stop looking like that and start being that, so it becomes easier.
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« Reply #96 on: August 12, 2006, 06:36:41 pm »


As has been said before - people in model boat clubs are just a cross section of society.  Some will be friendly chatty fellas and some will be grumpy old gits!
On my one sojourn to my closest club (Black Park) I hung around for 20 minutes or so being completely ignored by everyone (however it WAS old f a rts day & I'm only 35 after all) until a fella turned up and we got chatting for a good while and I felt a lot more welcome.  He told me all about membership and events, etc and explained some technical things about his model which I didn't at first understand.  I was relieved someone had spoken to me!!
But it's the same everywhere - not everyone likes to approach strangers and chat, especially when their friends are around offering easier conversation. :)

 hi julian - i too frequent the black park lake ( sadly due to work not as often as i like !!!) but i too am a similar age to you and also a northerner in exile- make yourself know next time you are down at the lake, maybe we can say hello - it is a friendly club... most of the time, and the christmas dinners can be a good laugh !!!!
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« Reply #97 on: August 12, 2006, 08:49:36 pm »

Hi Malcolm F

Sounds like you and your pals have got the right idea. Wish I lived in Lancashire!

Best wishes

Julian F
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« Reply #98 on: August 15, 2006, 10:51:07 am »

Richard, why not try the New Forest club? They sail at Setley near Brockenhurst, it's just west of the Lyndhurst to Lymington road. I haven't been along there for many years, but I always found them very friendly. There's nearby parking, so you shouldn't have any problems with that. The only bad thing is the lake itself, it can get rather low in dry weather, so maybe not too good at the moment, but go along and see for yourself.
Thanks anmo
Went last Thursday. They were very hepful though they do have a waiting list.
Plenty of water still!!
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« Reply #99 on: August 15, 2006, 11:41:18 pm »

I would like to make one point about clubs.
Most members on this forum are members of Model Boat Clubs.
Lots of help and advice on here so we cant be all bad.
Dont let one bad club sour you, who knows you might meet someone from here!!

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