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Pointy

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Not welcome to the hobby
« on: April 26, 2006, 12:28:28 pm »

The best stretch of water in my local area is a lake in a golf course.

I went there to give my model fishing boat its 3rd outing ever and was looking forward to it.

There were already a lot of people there, all old men, at least x2 my age with sailing boats. I went up to one of them and asked politely "What frequency are you using?" He replied "40 Mhz" I then said well my boat is "27 mhz, is it okay to use the lake with you?" I get a blank look back "Club waters only!" I didn't say anything but I'm thinking do they own the lake? Then he asks me what boat I have and he sais in a grudging way it would be okay as long as I stayed out of the sailing course. Then he asks "Do you have insurance?" And I'm thinking whats he talking about its a model... and I say "no" and he glares at me and repeats "Nooo" in a sarcastic voice. So I figure he's old and I don't want to upset him in case he has a stroke or something so I leave feeling rather annoyed, I wouldn't want to be on the lake with such an arrogant person anyway.

Why am I telling you this?  Well is this how clubs encourage new people to join or share the hobby? Not once did he tell me about the club or engage me in anyway as an equal. Is it an age thing? Do I have to be a snobby old man before I can join one of these clubs? I've gone right off wanting to finish my coaster now although its all I've done for most of my free time for the last 4 months- I mean why, where can I sail it without meeting more of these club people? I can just imagine them tutting and picking my coaster part.....
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Dave Leishman

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2006, 01:12:46 pm »

Pointy, I have to say that my experience isn't that much different to yours...except I'd actually paid to join my local club, so I was 'legitimate'.

The majority of the members of the local club are extremely standoffish, giving only a grunt when asked which frequency they're using, or even in one particular case no reply at all!

It's a few months since I've been to my local club pond (they don't meet regularly in the evenings for 'non-waterside' events) and I notice that I haven't received a renewal request for this years payment (due last month I believe) and neither have I received any of the newsletters. I guess I've been 'deselected'.

I did mail the secretary of another club within reasonable reach of us as it seemed their facilities were more suited to my wifes disabilities. I received an extremely terse response saying it wasn't suitable for disabled use. Not even an invite to find out for ourselves (disabilities differ you know!).

I'm extremely disappointed in my involvment in clubs so far and as things stand haven't decided what to do yet. I'm loath to give more money to a club that seems to be a 'closed shop' for newcomers, despite best efforts in making conversation.
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Re: Not welcome to the hobby
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2006, 01:29:32 pm »

Dave Leishman .. Pointy

Sorry to hear how the clubs have responded to you. some do pay for the use of there water
and therefore like to keep it to club members only. you should have insurance . to cover any
Injury you may  cause to others.  Usually in with club membership.  dont know were either
of you guys are but please dont let it put you off sailing. I think the Main Mayhem site has
a water guide might help,  Maybe you  just got unlucky and spoke to the wrong  guy, some
of us old un's dont reliase how Abrupt we can be.  This hobby needs you .


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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2006, 01:44:43 pm »

To be honest- not much of a difference in Germany either...
Now it has come so far, that we had enough of these snobs and we meet up on Wednesdays and sometimes Sunday mornings, when there is none of this "Hot-Volley-Party" at the pond.
The only advantage of my club has become for me and the other three "Big Boys playing around", that we can use the facility of the clubhouse with fridge and electricity. I don`t have any other idea to be in a club, as questions about the used chrystals will be just answered (if you are lucky) with a grunt. All the talking behind the back, if you have done something "wrong" on your ship or basicly you are doing the wrong kind of ships had become zero to none for me....
Sad? Nope! I think it?s just human nature...

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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2006, 01:50:48 pm »

The club my son and I belong to Yate and Sodbury welcomes everyone, since we ?became a member we have had lots of help and advice. Infact I could not have wished for a better club, everyone is so friendly and helpful it is a joy to attend.

Our previous club had a attitude of children are 'in the way' and it appeared that if you were not in the 'inner circle' of the committe then you did not exist. We soon left to find pastures new. Some of the members were o.k. but a lot wern't our cup of tea, and if you didn't know anyone you were usually ignored for a while.

If anyone is looking for a boat club around the Bristol area then I can recommend Yate and Sodbury, you will be hard pressed to find a more friendly, helpful and knowledgable group anywhere. They go out of their way to help people who are new or need advice about the hooby and raise money for charity at events/exhibitions they attend. Well done to all the members who make the club a succsess, if only more clubs were like YSMBC. We are glad we joined after our bad experience with the previous bunch.

Don't give up hope some good clubs are out there.
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Re: Not welcome to the hobby
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2006, 02:30:38 pm »

Most clubs include insurance with thier membership however most house houlders have third party cover in thier household insurance I am with the N.F.U. and have cover up to ?2,000,000. I agree that most clubs can be a trial but they are not all bad otherwise they just wouldn't survive. Hope you have better luck in the future and has already been said don't give up
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2006, 03:47:50 pm »

It won't be much consolation pointy, but you were unlucky, probably more with the person you asked than the club itself. I had several similar experiences in my younger years, but you'll just have to be a bit persistant, Is there a local model shop whose advice you can ask? There have been a few local clubs in my area, but all but two have died, they were mostly a bit specialised and couldn't cope with newcomers who had different more mainstream interests. The main survivor, probably one of the oldest clubs in the UK, sail mainly class yachts, and they can be a bit elitist at times. The sailing water is in a public park, so although some of the members try to claim exclusivity, the water is free for anyone to use at any time. They sail round buoys though, and even when they're racing, which is most weekends, there is always enough room for others at one end of the lake. They can be a bit possessive with frequencies, but it's always possible to borrow a peg if you ask the right person, and ask nicely. You shouldn't have to knuckle your forelock exactly, but it won't help if some senior member thinks you're treating him as a coffin-dodger, so see if turning on the charm a little helps. Surely even the most crusty of the lot you approached must have enough sense to realise that he was a beginner himself at one time.
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2006, 03:52:51 pm »

Martin, this word not allowed thing is getting ridiculous. The 'word not allowed' in my last post was f*o*r*e*l*o*c*k. If anyone wants proper 'words not allowed', I can think of much better ones than that.

Slightly off-topic, how do I get invited to one of your 'Hot-Volley-Parties J?rg? They sound a lot of fun, do they involve wife-swapping, sausages and lederhosen?
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2006, 04:28:20 pm »

Anmo, I will pick your reservation and place you beside the youngest lady in this club (age 63 or so...)....  ;D
Anyway, if you remember the Movie from the 70`s "Enter the dragon", this will become a brandnew meaning then....
It`s up to you what you want to ...."party with her".

Back to the topic now:
All over the world there are these unfriendly guys spreaded and they are not only a phenomenon to the model-sections. Just take them with a smile as nerds.....
I have a simple imagination, as soon as somebody starts to become a pain in the butt I try to imagine him in white boxer-shorts with little red hearts- standing at the bus-stop. It will give you a smile and make him treat no more too serious.
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2006, 05:05:19 pm »

Hi Pionty,

I don't think its an age thing just damned ignorance for which I can find no excuse what so ever.

I started in the hobby in late 2004 and early last year went to my local club to find out about joining and had much the same experiance as yourself it was like trying to engage a brick wall in conversation and I was 58 at the time.

Like the others say don't give up I was kindly pionted in an other direction by a member of this forum and found one of the best sailing venues around and best of all no PRIMA DONNA'S.

I live in Nottingham so if one of the local club is reading this they may be prepared to come back and explain how they expect to attract new blood with such an attitude.

Yours Colin H.
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Pointy

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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2006, 05:28:39 pm »

Its good to know and a little worrying that I'm not the only one that has had this experience of boat clubs. I just can't see myself joining one, maybe I was unlucky with the person I was talking to but we were well within earshot of everyone else who was around at the time and they seemed just fine with what old grumpy was saying.
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Re: Not welcome to the hobby
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2006, 05:38:24 pm »

Sorry to hear that Pionty.  I've had to sail on my own in the past and it was no fun. Sailing with other club members is, in my experience, good fun. Sure my club has people who can be terse, pedantic or moody, but then so did most places I worked!

I'm the chairman of our club and I would be extremely annoyed if one of the members treated a potential recruit the way you were.

Horses for courses, but please don't let one bad experience put you off clubs. I have to say at 58 I'm one of the youngest members; bring on ther new blood I say.

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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2006, 06:04:53 pm »

Like some one said, it happens all over the world, I was in Sidney Australia last year, Task Force 72 had a show on near Cook Park because it was Australia Day, my wife and I went down to meet them, we introduced ourselves to one guy who spoke to us for awhile, the rest did what most modelboaters do, sit in there chairs and sail there boats, its like, dont disturb us sign had gone up, after about an hour we gave up and went and watched everything else that was going on, I would have fell over backwards if it had been the other way round, it was there loss. ron h
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2006, 06:12:10 pm »

I read the postings from some of you with surprise and disappointment, I too now belong to the old f a rts ?brigade and over the years have sailed at Black Park, Three Rivers, South Shields and presently at Gosport. A pretty fair cross section of the UK and nowhere have I ever come across the standoffish rude behavior you have encountered, exactly the opposite. All of the clubs had the policy of thrusting a transmitter into the hands of any onlooker that expressed interest with "Here have a go" and generally be as helpful as possible. Still, I suppose if we were all the same we would have nothing to moan about.
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Re: Not welcome to the hobby
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2006, 06:19:21 pm »

Hi Pointy,

I was reluctant to reply to your posting, as I don't know you.
As far as what frequency I sail on, well it's none of your business.
Your boat is probably the wrong style and colour to sail on a golf club pond, and anyway
most colf clubs don't allow fishing in their ponds.

 ? ? ? ?;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sadly, some clubs are like this but not all.
The best way to look at it, would probably be that most of the others will be better!

The insurance question though is understandable, as they could be looking at loosing the facility if an uninsured accident occured.
 One other point is that if it was an organised meeting for yachts, they won't take kindly to other boats straying on to the course. I know this, I'm a yachtie. One small deviation to avoid another boat can be imposible to regain.

It is a shame that no one would take the time to explain the various reasons for their comments or their non comments.
If you ever visit our club, I'll talk you to death to explain everything.
Good luck with your new hobby, stick with it.

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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2006, 06:24:59 pm »

I met some of the members from a local club at a model railway show and was pleased to say that they were more than polite and encouraging towards potential members.

I arranged to travel to the club to sail with them the next weekend, and all looked well.

Unfortunately, from where I live, the club water is over 1.5 hours drive away, so it is no mean feat to get there, sail and get back.

Upon arrival, I met up with some of the members there, and the response I got was distinctly chilly. ?I had a few "gentlemen" (for want of a better word) approach me and state that the club was not after new members, especially not ones who were not local.
To make matters worse, when they enquired about my profession, (Royal Air Force) I was met with a torrent of expletives and other profanities.
Not what i wanted my 2 young children to hear!!


Needless to say, I have never been back to that club and have taken to sailing, on my own, in a local pond where I only have to avoid the resident duck & swan population.


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Re: Not welcome to the hobby
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2006, 08:14:53 pm »

Why not name names, so we know where we're wasting our time?

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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2006, 08:24:50 pm »

This subject strikes a chord with me. ?Ten years ago or so I was sailing on the deserted public pond in Herne Bay park one Sunday when the local club members started appearing. One set up the peg board and the others started grabbing their usual colours, one of which was the frequency I was using indicated by my flag. ?Not one word was spoken to me or even an acknowldgement I was there. ?I just packed up and went home. ?If I was to join a club I would think about joining one further away such as Cygnets at Maidstone although I would probably go it alone.

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Pointy

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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2006, 09:02:39 pm »

Shocked at what happened to you CK! How do you find sailing alone? I worry that if I'm alone I'm going to get set on by the local ASBO kids- I'd be providing a wonderful moving target for them to throw their beer cans at. All the more secluded waters have grumpy old men.
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2006, 09:13:24 pm »

Hi ya there, Can I have my 2 penneth worth, I tend to agree with name the names because if anyone on this Forum is a member of that club he could no doubt go back to the Club committee and let them know what a bad reception it has had on this Forum.   The attitude of these modellers is totally wrong for encouraging new blood into this hobby - so, yes, I think we should name names.

A similar situation happened to Riggers when he first went to Tynemouth Model Boat Club - he bumped into the wrong gent there - he totally put Riggers off Tynemouth Club and he went up to join Saltwell Park and he got a better reception.  Anyway, to cut a long story short, the Committee of Tynemouth found out what happened to Riggers and it was immediately amended.  I dont know what was said to the particular 'wrong gent' but I dont think he gives any more 'frosty' receptions and also Riggers is now a member of Tynemouth Model Boat Club.

It may be there is a frosty character in every Club.

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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2006, 09:24:56 pm »

Funny how things are with clubs I went up to Hull over the week-end to watch some tethered hydros when I arrived the pond was devided into two halfs so that the tethered Hydros could be run in safety , duering the course of the day I got chatting to a couple of chaps who could not have been more friendly invited myself and my friend to have a sail of thier boats offered us a cuppa and a bit to eat and generaly made myself and my friend fell at home Whilst we were talking it transpired that the people with the tethered Hydros were Hull club and the people with whom we had been talking to were nothing to do with Hull club they just go down the pond on a Sunday and sail .All I can say is many thanks to the lads that made us so welcome and cheers to lads in the Hull club for some spectacular tethered hydro runs
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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2006, 09:29:33 pm »

The frosty one is only wheeled out at dusk and when there is no one around to talk to.

I have to disagree on naming names on the forum, it only takes one person's disagreement and you end up alienating a whole club. It will be the forum that takes the backwash. Take up the problem with the club in question and raise a disagreement. No matter where you go either in this hobby or anything else you do there is a person who will upset your day and for some they take pleasure from it.

Yes I had a problem but after returning to the club I was able to join after telling someone else at the club of the "gentleman" in question.

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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2006, 10:02:57 pm »

Hi all,

in my last post I may have been misunderstood - didnt mean to name actual names of persons - but name the Club - that way anyone knowing any members of that club can inform them and if the Club is anything of a Club it should be able to rectify the problem.

Now I am going to show me age..... back in early 60s (knee high to a grasshopper) when I first joined South Shields Model Yacht Club - the attitude of the modellers then was LITTLE BOYS & GIRLS SHOULD BE SEEN AND NOT HEARD......(it wasnt until I went last week that I was allowed to talk? ;D)

Seriously, I thought those days had gone, but obviously not in some cases....especially when there are some genuine people showing a genuine interest in what you are doing.? ?There are still some good people out there, and one or two nerds are bound to show up and someone has to make them aware of their attitude - it does a lot of damage.

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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2006, 10:30:26 pm »

I think one of the issues is the natural 'clique' nature that clubs foster just by their very being. The outsider - especially one that's somehow 'different' to the club 'norm' (in my case being at least 20 years younger than the 'norm') - is treated with diffidence until they're around often enough to be accepted, which doesn't always happen.

Clubs that advertise themselves as being 'friendly', 'approachable' or other terms of sociability should be sure that that not only applies within established members of the club, but is extended to potential newcomers too.

It takes effort on both sides and my experience so far is the clubs I've been in contact with are happy with the status quo and really don't want to be bothered.
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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2006, 10:49:36 pm »

Hi Pointy,

I've sent you a private message.

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