Topic: Legal Aerokits plans? (Read 34523 times)

dodgy geezer · « **Reply #50 on:** August 11, 2010, 09:55:45 pm »

@Martin

You will find most of them in the old Keil Kraft Handbooks - I think they brought out a lifeboat after the KK handbooks ceased being issued, but I don't know how they were marketed...

I think there were 11 in the main 'Sea' range, counting two of the boats which were issued in two different sizes as 4 boats ...

@Dekan - do you remember the old EeZeBild starter kits? See http://modelboats.hobby-site.com .... (sorry - couldn't resist...)

Dekan · « **Reply #51 on:** August 11, 2010, 10:35:35 pm »

Sure do dodgy...John at JoTika said he had the lifeboat and the PT boat plans.

The Sea Commander is a reduced size Sea Queen so what was the other kit in two sizes....No problem found it the Vosper fire boat

Sea Urchin
Sea Scout
Sea Rover
Sea Hornet
Patrol Torpedo Boat
Fast Patrol Launch
Fairey Swordsman
Life Boat (not on the Lestro site)

Source Lestro web site

RaaArtyGunner · « **Reply #52 on:** August 11, 2010, 11:36:44 pm »

Quote from: TCSC47 on August 11, 2010, 02:00:06 pm

the participants seem to be reasonably polite to each other. .
Rock on people!

Sorry about that, give us time and we can soon change that

to make you feel more at home

toesupwa · « **Reply #53 on:** August 12, 2010, 08:36:44 am »

Quote from: Dekan on August 11, 2010, 10:35:35 pm

Sea Urchin
Sea Scout
Sea Rover
Sea Hornet
Patrol Torpedo Boat
Fast Patrol Launch
Fairey Swordsman
Life Boat (not on the Lestro site)

And the Sea Nymph?..

Circlip · « **Reply #54 on:** August 12, 2010, 09:01:51 am »

Thanks for bringing the info over to this forum Dekan, it allows a tie up with the previous threads.

So if Jokita are flogging them at three and a half quid a pop???? Lesros seem a bit overpriced. It begs the question yet again, who actually owns the copyright?

Notable is the statement that the plans may NOT be full size from the original wooden parts, which is a bit strange as you had to use the side elevations to cut the keel doublers between the bulkheads to length. Not too important as if you're building from the plan, it will be to plan size but not necessarily "Kit size"

Regards Ian.

dodgy geezer · « **Reply #55 on:** August 12, 2010, 10:47:42 am »

Quote from: Circlip on August 12, 2010, 09:01:51 am

It begs the question yet again, who actually owns the copyright?

A possible situation is that the copyright is owned by a third party who licenses people to trade in various ways. This need not be an exclusive license, so there would be no problem with many people offering to sell a copy of the plans quite legally, and many different prices...

TCSC47 · « **Reply #56 on:** August 12, 2010, 03:49:05 pm »

Quote from: dodgy geezer on August 11, 2010, 03:20:21 pm

Incidentally, why pick 'House of Frog' as an example? It is indeed a superb site - professionally finished, and definitively researched, but we do have at least one small UK vintage boat plan distribution site running on a shoe-string - modesty forbids me actually mentioning the name....

Yes - Why, indeed!? Now that I have found your web site through your profile. "Much Respect" as the kids say (or probably used to, by now!) I have been periodically googling Keil Kraft for some time and I didn't come across your site because it is Ezebilt. Never mind, it is my favourites now.

LOL! One question was solved for me about why I couldn't find any references to the Sea Nymph. I thought it was made by Vernon, and the Vernon advert on your site made me realise why I erronously thought that. If you surf sea nymph by itself, so much www noise comes up that you can never get there.

You might be too modest to plug your site but I can though. - http://modelboats.hobby-site.com/ - even if it dosen't need it.
Cheers

Dekan · « **Reply #57 on:** August 12, 2010, 05:08:32 pm »

Quote from: toesupwa on August 12, 2010, 08:36:44 am

And the Sea Nymph?..

Sorry forgot that one..

Ian, I forgot to ask John at JoTika if he had any instructions for any of the kits..DOH

I love the House of Frog.... great site.

Wow... we model aircraft flyers never had it so good "back in the day"... Frog, Keil Kraft, Veron, Mercury and host of other great british names now

nothing worth mentioning....

Model Boats Website · « **Reply #58 on:** August 12, 2010, 09:00:02 pm »

Quote from: Martin - admin. on August 11, 2010, 09:19:06 pm

Is there a list of all the Aerokits anywhere?

Yes...
http://modelfireboats.com/plans/aerokits2.php

Dekan · « **Reply #59 on:** August 12, 2010, 10:18:49 pm »

I missed that

Youngat65 · « **Reply #60 on:** August 13, 2010, 02:14:49 pm »

Ordered Solent plan yesterday morning , delivered by post this morning great service

Dekan · « **Reply #61 on:** August 13, 2010, 02:27:23 pm »

I got my plans this morning... I didn't realise how much wood there was in these Kits.

My plans are all slightly undersize by varing amounts... but that doesn't really matter as I have no pre cut parts to match up..

This wasn't that uncommon for model aircraft kits of this era and we still managed to build and fly them!

Interesting construction method... I would be interested to know what the keel, stringers and blocks were made of on the original kits, having never seen one

Circlip · « **Reply #62 on:** August 13, 2010, 02:37:35 pm »

Plywood keel (Not liteply) Obeche blocks and stringers.

(Sea Hornet)

Regards Ian.

If the plans are the original blackline on white paper, they are the normal printed types. The Aero plans were ammonia diazo copies.

Nother edit, "Blocks" I referred to were the "Doublers" round the propshaft cut out in the keel, the nose blocks on either side of the keel at the front are Balsa as DG points out.

dodgy geezer · « **Reply #63 on:** August 13, 2010, 02:39:47 pm »

As I recall,

keel - plywood
stringers - spruce
blocks - might be be balsa or obechi

bulkheads, superstructure sides and hatch frames all 1/8" ply
skin 1/16" ply

Dekan · « **Reply #64 on:** August 13, 2010, 03:06:47 pm »

The paper is shiny printed side and has quite course matt finish on the other...The Rover plan is marked with "distributed by E. Keil & Co" the other two are plain AeroKit. One has an address in Norfolk

There doesn't appear to be any nose blocks.... Scout, Rover and Commander...Do the superstructure and bulkhead parts interlock in true egg crate style?

Ok to use birch ply as marine is hard to get?

dodgy geezer · « **Reply #65 on:** August 13, 2010, 03:19:12 pm »

Quote from: Circlip on August 13, 2010, 02:37:35 pm

... Obeche blocks and stringers. (Sea Hornet)

I seem to remember spruce stringers on the Sea Commander and Swordsman - though I may be wrong, and obechi on the smaller boats would also make sense...

HS93 (RIP) · « **Reply #66 on:** August 13, 2010, 06:32:53 pm »

Quote from: Dekan on August 13, 2010, 03:06:47 pm

The paper is shiny printed side and has quite course matt finish on the other...The Rover plan is marked with "distributed by E. Keil & Co" the other two are plain AeroKit. One has an address in Norfolk

There doesn't appear to be any nose blocks.... Scout, Rover and Commander...Do the superstructure and bulkhead parts interlock in true egg crate style?

Ok to use birch ply as marine is hard to get?

there are no nose blocks because they did not have them, the stringers on all the original kits where obechi the type of ply used for skins is the type that is available from
most hobby shops as well as jotica and it was 1/16 at the time.

Peter

Dekan · « **Reply #67 on:** August 13, 2010, 07:56:14 pm »

Quote from: HS93 on August 13, 2010, 06:32:53 pm

there are no nose blocks because they did not have them, the stringers on all the original kits where obechi the type of ply used for skins is the type that is available from
most hobby shops as well as jotica and it was 1/16 at the time.

Peter

Thanks Peter.. Anybody built a Sea Rover,Scout or Commander who can help out on the bulkhead shapes...or building instructions

Circlip · « **Reply #68 on:** August 15, 2010, 10:14:52 am »

If you go back to the "Other" site Dekan, there is a tutorial on how to sort the lines out by Paul P :- http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1264868&page=5

You came in after the film had started

Regards Ian.

Dekan · « **Reply #69 on:** August 15, 2010, 01:24:50 pm »

Ian They were just about to roll the credits.... when I came in

This one ?

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15617670&postcount=73

TCSC47 · « **Reply #70 on:** August 16, 2010, 09:22:09 am »

Quote from: RaaArtyGunner on August 11, 2010, 11:36:44 pm

Sorry about that, give us time and we can soon change that to make you feel more at home

Cheers RaaArty! I will look forward to that! LOL!

dodgy geezer · « **Reply #71 on:** August 16, 2010, 08:35:47 pm »

Quote from: Circlip on August 15, 2010, 10:14:52 am

If you go back to the "Other" site Dekan, there is a tutorial on how to sort the lines out by Paul P :- http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1264868&page=5

Oh - that looks a bit complicated. And surely WE should have a tutorial as well? Can't go sending people off to other sites!!

Here's my quick take on it - corrections as always gratefully accepted...

triumphjon · « **Reply #72 on:** August 16, 2010, 08:54:45 pm »

if anybody is interested in owning an old areokits boat , i know of a local model shop with several for sale ?

biggles1 · « **Reply #73 on:** August 16, 2010, 09:29:15 pm »

Hi Dekan, have you noticed a few aerokits are turning up for sale at Old Warden .Saw a couple at Sam gala and scale day. I agree model boaters need a Sam type club. Dave (Sam35)

Dekan · « **Reply #74 on:** August 17, 2010, 05:31:13 pm »

Quote from: triumphjon on August 16, 2010, 08:54:45 pm

if anybody is interested in owning an old areokits boat , i know of a local model shop with several for sale ?

It depends where "local" is...

Dave, I haven't been to Old Warden since the Boddo memorial weekend.......Do what the vender's were asking for them?

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