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Author Topic: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion  (Read 124629 times)

glendavis1971

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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #150 on: September 28, 2012, 02:26:38 PM »

Hi charles

really I'm sure I replied to them. Don't worry its in hand I'll have the price by next week been very bust here Mrs D has had me doing jobs about the house
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #151 on: October 01, 2012, 08:28:39 AM »

Well guys the main bulk of painting is now done

The embossed name painted over has worked well

colours used so far

Humbrol 104 oxford blue
Humbrol 67 tank grey
Halfords red primer

Now for the touching and detailing. I'm not sure what colour to paint the gaiters on the main guns as I think deck won't look right. I've seen white, black and green for the canvas anyone got any suggestion?








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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #152 on: October 01, 2012, 10:23:36 AM »

Very nice Glen. I compliment you sir.
Nearing home base now shipmate.
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #153 on: October 01, 2012, 12:35:03 PM »

The embossed Melvin is a nice touch

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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #154 on: October 01, 2012, 07:03:44 PM »

thanks charles theres light at the end of the tunnel

thank you dave i'm very pleased it worked
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #155 on: October 03, 2012, 03:42:19 AM »

Are you going to paint the black boot top on the waterline; basically a demarcation line between the top hull color and the anti-fouling red on the lower hull???

As for the canvas, white would draw too much attention; I think they either used an appropriately colored canvas that matched the overall ship color or something complimentary. I would nevertheless paint it a shade off or "faded".
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #156 on: October 03, 2012, 10:15:40 AM »

A nice picture on here - http://www.hullnumber.com/DD-680
No sign of any boot topping.  I heard that the camo colour was taken down to the bottom of where the boot topping would have been to reduce the chance of the opposition figuring out the state of lading of fuel/ammo during WW2.  Peacetime and an action like Korea could have been different.  While researching for my minesweeper, one of the documents did mention that all reflective surfaces such as ports would either be boarded over and painted, painted or removed.  Anything visible was to be painted to match its background, so canvas would be painted, but due to the difference in texture between canvas and metal, would probably appear a different colour.
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #157 on: October 03, 2012, 05:28:38 PM »

Hi guys

The answer to your question is yes I will be adding a boot line ask you can see from this picture of melvin stern the black line can be seen in this photo

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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #158 on: October 03, 2012, 09:32:49 PM »

I really like the look of her thus far.  The contrast of the navy blue sides and deck blue does add a lot of interest.  Looking forward to seeing her completed.

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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #159 on: October 04, 2012, 09:33:16 AM »

Hi Guys

I remembered seeing this on another forum which answers my question what colour are the canvas boots

some browny green colour by the looks of it

Glen

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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #160 on: October 04, 2012, 01:12:54 PM »

Glen.....prior to gun mount fixed mantlet plates [just pre WW11]....both British & American naval gun mounts had a variety of baggy canvas "boots" to cater for the ordnance recoil function and keep water out

Most boots were treated with a natural "bees wax" formulation as a water proofing preservative...so any color of the original woven material just darkened with successive coats of wax...... :-))

Interestingly, the image of "USS Melvin 680" below suggests she had fixed mantlet plates on her gun mounts as opposed to canvas boots .........Derek
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #161 on: October 04, 2012, 01:53:55 PM »

thanks Derek

so canvas covered with bees wax wouldn't take paint

yes it is interesting but have seen other photos where she has boots that just showed clearly the boot line there was some debate about. common sense does suggest that boots are normally fitted. Having sailed in the pacific I know how rough it gets if I was in the gun crew I wouldn't want to get wet.
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #162 on: October 04, 2012, 02:07:58 PM »

Just a quick note I live not too far from the Kidd Museum and although the folks do an excellent job maintaining the Kidd the bags in the above photo are much lighter than when they replace them from time to time. The HOT (and I mean painfully hot!) Louisiana sun bleaches those bags in short order. When new they are nearly black/dark green. Although Mr. Drummond and his guys do an excellent job keeping the ship historically accurate I have no idea IF that includes the color of the bags.



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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #163 on: October 04, 2012, 02:11:59 PM »

thanks rmay so a palish green would be perfect?

do they have a web site as I no thinking about singal flags to fly along with call sign I'd like engaging the enemy with torpedo's
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #164 on: October 04, 2012, 09:53:03 PM »

thanks Derek

so canvas covered with bees wax wouldn't take paint

yes it is interesting but have seen other photos where she has boots that just showed clearly the boot line there was some debate about. common sense does suggest that boots are normally fitted. Having sailed in the pacific I know how rough it gets if I was in the gun crew I wouldn't want to get wet.

An aside, Not being a sailor, don't think the boots were to keep you dry, but to protect that section of barrel that moved 'through' the mounting on recoil/runnout.

There were quite a few ships, with gun mounts open at the rear not to mention those with only a basic "shield"

But I would bow to Derek, who may be able to elaborate on Naval Ordinance's.

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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #165 on: October 04, 2012, 11:51:38 PM »

Looks very nice. I did look at a few airfix models in the shop and wondered how expensive it would be to convert to rc. I think I will leave it to the pro's lol
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #166 on: October 05, 2012, 12:57:17 AM »

On the subject of guns, are the replacement brass barrels still available?  Seems like they would be a worthwhile investment for a conversion.

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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #167 on: October 05, 2012, 04:19:06 AM »

I had figured the canvas was treated in some manner like the WWII Pattern 37 webbing gear which was "blancoed" to match the color of the terrain. Aside from the greenish/brown or "dirty" canvas color we are seeing, I have read that crews did indeed attempt to have everything on the topsides of a matching hue.

Those aftermarket barrels are indeed still available and are something I intend to purchase. The kit barrels are too stubby and don't compare to the long, slender barrels of the real deal. Bigger barrels = more menace.  >:-o

http://www.bdbarrels.com/ They are listed there, ninth from the bottom of the page.
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #168 on: October 05, 2012, 09:47:28 AM »

I have actually measure the guns and scaled them they are in fact the right length according to real guns dimensions.  I Do how ever agree they look stubby and short mine are fitted as far out as possible and with the boots fitted. I think as they have been moulded fully extended it gives the impression of a stubby barrel.

On The matter of what colour the boots are I was found this picture of Melvin last night would every one agree the boots are black



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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #169 on: October 05, 2012, 01:13:02 PM »


Glen,

As you say, I recall reading on another forum, that the kit barrels are indeed the correct legnth, it is the 'large boots,'  that make them look short. O0 O0
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #170 on: October 05, 2012, 02:24:54 PM »

Canvas:

following is a relevant quote from the USN instructions


INSTRUCTIONS FOR PAINTING 
AND CEMENTING VESSELS 
OF THE UNITED STATES NAVY
Edition of June 1943
SECTION 4-E.
Miscellaneous Items.
Canvas. - When required by camouflage instructions, shall be dyed with a preservative (Navy Department Specification 52C26) tinted to the color of the deck blue paint, formula 20-B.
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #171 on: October 05, 2012, 04:35:03 PM »

http://usskidd.com/

By the way take the Virtual Tour on the USS Kidd site!
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion - Gun Barrels
« Reply #172 on: October 05, 2012, 08:39:02 PM »

Glenn & Others: 

Thanks for that info.  Looks like I may have to replace the boots instead of the barrels.  I have my original model to mess with, so I can do some experimenting for a build of the new kit.

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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #173 on: October 05, 2012, 10:38:23 PM »

It is clear in this photo of a 'Fletcher' that the barrells look short.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rocn/heng-yang.htm
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #174 on: October 06, 2012, 04:42:21 PM »

I agree raaty if you look at boots on that pic on the link they are fully extended. I think the answer to the gun debate is personnel choice I for one don't see the need to buy to new barrels when theres nothing wrong with models own barrels.  Either way there is no right or wrong barrel lengths appear different depend on the ship, the point after recoil the guns settled at and the angle of the pictures be taken at.

your welcome peejay try using green stuff to make you own boots. its a 2 part modeling putty from games workshop.

Thanks tanker thats helped a lot but after a long chat with a friend of mine both USN and RN used black canvas and as can be seen from the pic of Melvin I posted the boots are a lot darker than anthing else on the ship. I shall be repainting mine black.

well guys the paints very nearly complete. Most of the deck fittings are glued in place. the boot top line is 3mm black self adhesive lining and the pennant numbers are 6mm USN high vis lettering from BECC.

you'll notice the whalers canvas is pale green along with the gun boots. I am still not sure if i will use the boats awnings or not but the gun boots will be black very soon.

all thats left before sea trials is touching up a good dusting and varnishing then refit the shafts and props













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