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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #175 on: January 31, 2021, 04:08:29 pm »

Tug my 12 week one is due March 16th though had no information on that yet.There is no urgency as that will be in the queue until the next ''Britain is First To'' Headline grabber is decided on who gets what/when.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #176 on: January 31, 2021, 05:17:22 pm »


Did he mention anything about a Negative result


I doubt if he was old enough to know what it would mean in that context :}


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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #177 on: January 31, 2021, 07:33:12 pm »

Alas true LB
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #178 on: January 31, 2021, 11:59:51 pm »

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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #179 on: February 01, 2021, 03:08:42 am »

This attitude is common everywhere. I think that people are so sick of lock downs etc that they are ignoring rules, rules that are in place for their own protection, and the protection of others. I completely understand how some people must feel, but we all must take the long term view, otherwise Covid will be with us forever. It may indeed be with us forever anyway, regardless of what measures are taken, but at least we can help minimise the effects by observing the guidelines.


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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #180 on: February 01, 2021, 08:26:37 am »

This attitude is common everywhere. I think that people are so sick of lock downs etc that they are ignoring rules, rules that are in place for their own protection, and the protection of others. I completely understand how some people must feel, but we all must take the long term view, otherwise Covid will be with us forever. It may indeed be with us forever anyway, regardless of what measures are taken, but at least we can help minimise the effects by observing the guidelines.


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So do I.

Self entitled, ignorant, no social responsibility, uncaring and self obsessed are all words/phrases that come immediately to mind. I am sure that I could think of other words/phrases given a little time.

There are no valid excuses. I cannot believe that any responsible and caring member of society would ignore even the most basic distancing rules at this time ............ and as for party goers..............

When I compare this situation with what the people had to endure in the World Wars (both at home and in service) what is being asked of us here seems so little.

If I was front line in this situation I really would wonder if it was worth it when I see the total disregard of even basic rules and good manners exhibited by some in the current situation.

I equate what they are doing with attempted negligent manslaughter. There have been repeated calls for tough penalties for drivers who ignore the law in a way which results in the death of a third party. As these people really any different?

I had better hold my tongue there.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #181 on: February 01, 2021, 09:11:37 am »

Is Sweden still in total lockdown and economy destruction mode?
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #182 on: February 01, 2021, 09:17:38 am »



I equate what they are doing with attempted negligent manslaughter. There have been repeated calls for tough penalties for drivers who ignore the law in a way which results in the death of a third party. As these people really any different?



I think that’s a very valid question TF.


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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #183 on: February 01, 2021, 09:27:48 am »

It would be very difficult to tie a specirfic death to this sort of behaviour but the comparison with driving is a good one, these people are committing the equivalent of dangerous driving whether or not it results in a death.

I do wonder how many people are actually paying the fines they have been given.

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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #184 on: February 01, 2021, 10:19:31 am »

As a general point of observation regarding the huddled masses in London Parks.   In London there are about 25,000 ha of accessible open spaces and parks . The population of London is about 9 million not counting those here on vacation and illegally. That means that if you spread them out evenly over the whole of the greenery they would still only be  5m apart. Given the inevitability of pinch points it is no wonder there are cases of social undistancing, especially as they have been told to get some exercise but will fined if the travel to do it.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #185 on: February 01, 2021, 11:30:35 am »

Report on the BBC today:

And on Scotland's highest mountain, two climbers had to be rescued and have been fined for breaking Scotland's lockdown rules.

The men had travelled more than 100 miles (161km) from the Glasgow area to tackle Ben Nevis, near Fort William in the Highlands.

They got into difficulty in a gully on Saturday afternoon and had to be rescued by helicopter by Inverness Coastguard and members of the local mountain rescue team.

Police Scotland said there were no injuries and both were fined for breaching Covid regulations.


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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #186 on: February 01, 2021, 12:40:23 pm »

I hope the helicopter hauled them out on a VERY long rope, to ensure they stayed 'socially distanced' from the crew of course.  :-)
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #187 on: February 01, 2021, 12:42:28 pm »

I hope the helicopter hauled them out on a VERY long rope, to ensure they stayed 'socially distanced' from the crew of course.  :-)
I wonder if they use a Robinson R44      :-))
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #188 on: February 01, 2021, 12:50:47 pm »

I do wish that news media would consider more realistically what they say.

There is a story this morning about a mass screening for the South African variant and of course it reports that there is uncertainty about the effectiveness of current vaccines re this strain.

It concludes by saying that if current vaccines are not effective we should not to worry as a new vaccine can be developed very quickly.

Reality check: The shortest time in which an updated vaccine could be got to market is currently 6 months. The UK variant has only been around for 3 months & look at the havoc that it has caused. Also all those people who will have been vaccinated before that 6 months is up will need revaccinating. That is most of the population.

You can easily see why getting on top of the virus to limit the number of opportunities it has to mutate into something new is so important. If the world doesn't limit the number of mutations then once a year jabs may well not be enough. The virus will outmutate our ability to respond.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #189 on: February 01, 2021, 12:54:14 pm »

I do wish that news media would consider more realistically what they say.

There is a story this morning about a mass screening for the South African variant and of course it reports that there is uncertainty about the effectiveness of current vaccines re this strain.

It concludes by saying that if current vaccines are not effective we should not to worry as a new vaccine can be developed very quickly.

Reality check: The shortest time in which an updated vaccine could be got to market is currently 6 months. The UK variant has only been around for 3 months & look at the havoc that it has caused. Also all those people who will have been vaccinated before that 6 months is up will need revaccinating. That is most of the population.

You can easily see why getting on top of the virus to limit the number of opportunities it has to mutate into something new is so important. If the world doesn't limit the number of mutations then once a year jabs may well not be enough. The virus will outmutate our ability to respond.
So what that basically means is no matter what you do, you're going to get it - or a version of it - so what is the point of a lockdown?  The whole population of the world locked in their houses forever to avoid a disease that most people need to be tested to even know they have it.    All seems very sensible.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #190 on: February 01, 2021, 01:07:02 pm »

So what that basically means is no matter what you do, you're going to get it - or a version of it - so what is the point of a lockdown?  The whole population of the world locked in their houses forever to avoid a disease that most people need to be tested to even know they have it.    All seems very sensible.

That is the complete reverse of what I am saying. The only way to beat this is to reduce the number of people who have it so that the virus has less chance to mutate,  and it thus becomes more controllable because vaccines remain effective for much longer.

We need the best lockdown possible that vastly reduces the number of people who have it but at the same time does as little economic damage as possible. This needs to be done worldwide.

Viruses have had billions or years to develop a strategy to succeed and they are very good at it. This is war.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #191 on: February 01, 2021, 01:10:48 pm »

That is the complete reverse of what I am saying. The only way to beat this is to reduce the number of people who have it so that the virus has less chance to mutate,  and it thus becomes more controllable because vaccines remain effective for much longer.

We need the best lockdown possible that vastly reduces the number of people who have it but at the same time does as little economic damage as possible. This needs to be done worldwide.

Viruses have had billions or years to develop a strategy to succeed and they are very good at it. This is war.
And by keeping everyone locked up and covered in Dettol, you are deliberately reducing their immune systems - so they become more susceptible to everything.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #192 on: February 01, 2021, 01:13:33 pm »

My neighbours are still having their parties, NHS nurse, fireman etc. I think the same as mentioned above about the dangerous driving comparison. They just dont give a.....
 They are still talking on facebook about how people should stick to the restrictions as the wards are filling up. Beyond belief.
My shed is my only refuge from idiots, thats my excuse and I am sticking to it😁
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #193 on: February 01, 2021, 01:16:53 pm »

There are so many cases that they are dismantling the Nightingale hospitals.


I'm in and out of hospitals all the time - I get to see the reality and not the propaganda.   


I understand that most of the people on this website are in the high-risk group so you are super-sensitive to the fear-porn - but shutting down the whole world is not the way to deal with this.

I can appreciate you wanting to lock yourself away to avoid anything - but the actual death risk to the healthy under 50s is not really worth destroying your country for.

Sorry if this is classed as too political - if so, please delete.
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #194 on: February 01, 2021, 01:38:16 pm »

I'm quite stunned as to some of the comments in this thread.


Last March I started as a healthy 49 year old who got a cough for a week and a half. I then suddenly struggled to breathe and have never been so scared that my time had come. Nearly 10 moths later, I am now a 50 year old who can't exert himself without becoming short of breath. My exercise outdoors is a gentle walk for perhaps 30minutes. If I go further, I suddenly & without warning can't breathe. Go faster & same result is quicker. Modelling is now more difficult as I have to be more careful of any vapours I inhale or I start coughing like death again. Steroids & Ventolin inhalers do nothing. Medical science can't help(for now, I hope).


Yes, lots of people get very few after affects but who knows if you will be one of them. Had my parents or Gran caught this instead of me then I would have been attending funerals.


This is not fear-porn, this is a reality. Nobody wants to be locked up but this is the way things are in an effort to reduce infections and potential deaths/long term damage to people. Even with the vaccine, you are still going to roll the dice and see what you end up with.


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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #195 on: February 01, 2021, 01:38:47 pm »

Plastic

I obviously see things differently to you but what is your answer?

Ignore it & hope that it will go away or......................?
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #196 on: February 01, 2021, 01:44:17 pm »

Plastic

I obviously see things differently to you but what is your answer?

Ignore it & hope that it will go away or......................?
I think the lockdowns are ridiculous - I'm sorry that some people have had a hard time with covid but  the Swedes seem to do perfectly fine without destroying everyone's jobs - look at the death rates - 'case' numbers are pretty irrelevant.       


I think the fear-porn has done such a good job of terrifying the public that it's now almost a universal Stockholm Syndrome - how will you cope shaking hands with anyone ever again - they might have the lurgi - or had the 'wrong' vaccine or your vaccine may have been the 'wrong' one.       


Being alive and locked in a box is not living.    How long will you all put up with this?
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #197 on: February 01, 2021, 01:47:34 pm »

You still haven't told us what you would do.

You want to remove the lockdown but is there anything else that you want to add to that ?
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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #198 on: February 01, 2021, 01:47:44 pm »

Plastic,

Having just watched Paul Freshney's funeral online I can assure you it isn't fear porn. He took precautions but was cut down at 68 just like that. I know of several others who have died and even more who have suffered badly from it. The Nightingales are not being used much because there is no reserve of NHS staff to operate them.

Having said that, just about all the people I know in my age group have been seni isolating since last Autumn, if not before and are continuing to do so. The huge increase in infections which is threatening th capacity of the NHS to cope is arising from the rest of the population with a significant minority not taking precautions and who are also passing it on to the older members of their families. As you will have seen on the news, it's not just older people requiring hospitalisation. Younger ones may be less likely to die but they still tie up hospital resources, perhaps more so than us geriatric over 70s who probably spend less time in hospital but don't make it back to their families!

The current policy is to vaccinate to prevent people who are most likely to get ill from getting ill and thereby relieving pressure on resources.

As far as Sweden is concerned, you are not up to date. Even they are now acknowledging that their policy has been a disaster story.

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Re: Covid vaccination
« Reply #199 on: February 01, 2021, 01:59:51 pm »

Ok - not enough staff for Nightingales? - seriously - most outpatient departments are not seeing people - telephone only appointments so the 3 nurses per consultant are not occupied - so a couple of them are stuck in a portacabin outside manning the covid booth - so they are literally clapping for their own job to be outsourced. 

Actually - no - I'm going no further with this - I can't answer without it becoming very, very political and getting deleted.

I understand your fears - I'm in the highest possible risk group - no immune system and having chemo - but I'll still get in a car and risk the 1 in 2000 chance of getting into an accident.    I'll go for a walk up the road - I don't care if people come within 2" of me - I'm not so terrified that *everyone* is carrying the lurgi and terribly contagious - I'll still risk being hit by lightning and falling meteors.   


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