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LarryW

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air boat fast build
« on: January 30, 2011, 03:20:17 pm »

hi LARRY HERE, allways wanted to a fun air boat , i have a copy of skimmer a plan by GLYNN GUEST.
 so looking what have in tat box and sunday with nothing to do, good i build a hull in 4 hrs ,
so the challenge is on ,
 MATTERAILS
....photo mount board
....ex rocket sticks
...cyno  pva adhesives
 here i go ,.... cut out all bulk heads and hull sides + transom,...measured rocket stick = 1-4 square and fix to hull allround edges .
 cut deck area to size fixed hull sides and transom + bulkheads squared things up and cyno .
  next was to make a frame work to fix bottom skin to all so stringer deck area and access hatch for radio bits .
   flip over and fixed   bottom skin water proof pva clamp and band all together,........now wait to dry job done  :-))
       next job on Monday ,water proof hull using resin varnish yacht kind .
 dig out running gear old unused speed 400......... watch this space ........ LARRY.









    time for tea ok2
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The long Build

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2011, 03:50:13 pm »

There are now 3 on the go at our club as well.. Your fault Larry..


Larry R..
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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2011, 04:00:26 pm »

Is he after Rathi's title? :lol:
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LarryW

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2011, 04:14:07 pm »

who gave me the plan in the first place?.......... {-)....
      just knocked the rudder together ikia blind allso motor pylon...... larry....

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The long Build

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2011, 04:18:04 pm »

who gave me the plan in the first place?.......... {-)....
      just knocked the rudder together ikia blind allso motor pylon...... larry....



When it said use scraps from the scraps box it did'nt say start using the house furniture  {-) {-) {-)

Coming along well..  I like your structure, Will take a few knocks..

Where are you getting your prop from ?
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LarryW

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2011, 05:44:05 pm »

hi.....  PROP FROM AL;S HOBBEIS.
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dbninja

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2011, 07:44:26 pm »

we have our own airboat experimenter at St. Helens... a quick video of it running brushless on 11.1 lipo on a half frozen lake...

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this was with the lipo well past its best, full specifications are in the description!  prior to me shooting this it was really fast :-))

db
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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2011, 07:56:21 pm »

we have our own airboat experimenter at St. Helens... a quick video of it running brushless on 11.1 lipo on a half frozen lake...

<iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GLDQYVXYoHc" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>


this was with the lipo well past its best, full specifications are in the description!  prior to me shooting this it was really fast :-))

db

Funny enought just been looking at that, we are hoping and I use that word HOPE with the best intentions of trying to get a group together at our club building from the same plan as Larry here.  However for the Race we HOPE (that word again) to run we are just building to the plan spec with No motor over a 400 and no brushless..


Larry R.  TLB
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LarryW

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2011, 12:35:57 pm »







hi back again to cold for resin coating , so worked on motor mount and rudder + deck hatch,,.....
 the other boat in back ground K K TRITON same build methods as skimmer ,again waiting for finish no painting in work shop allowed , says her in doors  >>:-(
 so have to use green house. roll on the summer......... larry.....
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dbninja

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2011, 07:53:50 pm »

Larry

far be it from me to undermine the very clever "Mr Guests" design.....

BUT
your airboat has no "step" on the underside of the hull???   and that is really going to limit the performance!

to reduce friction/stick-sion  your airboat hull should have a "step" part way along the underside of the hull so that the airboat rides on the tip of the step and the tip of the transom :-))

dont beleive me?

take a look at the hull of any seaplane or the underside of any float plane!     yep a step!

take a look at Dave's Airboat in the video i posted you can see the step working...  an addition after its initial trials without one, and yes it transformed the performance!
will post a photo but photobucket doesnt want to play tonight

DB
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The long Build

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2011, 08:12:31 pm »

Larry
far be it from me to undermine the very clever "Mr Guests" design.....

Note to myself:...Be carful at Taylor Park incase of Lighting Bolt...   :} :}

Not sure about Larry W
But for this season I think we will stay true to the design.. Are Swamp Boats Stepped ?.

Larry R..  The other Larry  %%
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LarryW

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2011, 08:54:48 pm »

HI LARRY.....LARRY here , just read post by DBNINJA it went over my head i believein the KISS format .
   so when racing we all sing from the same hymn sheet  .  ok2
  looked at swamp boat web yes the ones the everglades are flat bottomed to save the environment  ;) ok2.......
      build ,   fitted cage round wizzey bits to night , hope to get paint work started soon as weather gets better :-)).........LARRY....
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dbninja

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2011, 09:16:46 pm »

well well well!

just googled "swamp boat"   and guess what.........

no step!  :embarrassed:      they obviously just rely on "Brute Force" to make em go!


"if the 357 chevy V8 dont make it go.......  put a 427 in it y'all"  :-))



yep!  these things coninue to exist despite the invention of the hovercraft many moons ago :}



db
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Dekan

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2011, 09:40:00 pm »

Most of the american airboat models don't have a stepped hull.... here a fairly typical example http://www.cajungatorairboats.com/id11.html

Or you could go this way http://www.rcairboats.net/Videos/Promo/SI3EMini.wmv  it steers well because it has a rudder in the water.
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LarryW

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2011, 10:18:25 am »



 hi built this last year from the  said web page as a rescue boat....Larry
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LarryW

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2011, 02:44:15 pm »




 heres the protected cage round the prop area , pre stretch fence wire , i have fitted brass tube inserts in deck to make cage and rudder to be removed to access motor........LARRY
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Big Ada

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2011, 03:48:39 pm »







The top one was my first build, its a bit slow,  The 2nd 2 photos are of my latest build, made from Styrene, own design.

Len.
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LarryW

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2011, 04:51:55 pm »

hi , nice models like the pink one , who what a mean pilot {-) Larry
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Nordsee

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2011, 09:33:34 pm »

we have our own airboat experimenter at St. Helens... a quick video of it running brushless on 11.1 lipo on a half frozen lake...

<iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GLDQYVXYoHc" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>


this was with the lipo well past its best, full specifications are in the description!  prior to me shooting this it was really fast :-))

db
Love the way it Yaws as the rudder moves, like a Rudder /Elevator plane!!
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dbninja

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2011, 11:26:25 pm »

Love the way it Yaws as the rudder moves, like a Rudder /Elevator plane!!


yes, Daves got it going really well now, it is on "air rudder" only :-))  its been great watching this project grow over the weeks, it really has been a trial and error special....  glue bits on/sand bits off :-))  till it works!



db
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Big Ada

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2011, 04:52:14 pm »

hi , nice models like the pink one , who what a mean pilot {-) Larry

Pink!!! I think someone needs to go to S********rs.
Thanks for the comment.

Len.
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LarryW

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2011, 05:23:23 pm »

hi you are right sorry ,... :embarrassed:    red faced LARRY.......
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The long Build

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2011, 05:56:57 pm »

Stupid Question  :}

Other than the obvious what is the difference between a Pusher Prop and a Standard prop ?

Ie. If you use a Standard prop and just run it in reverse will it be ok. ?..
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Dekan

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2011, 06:58:39 pm »

Yep...
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dbninja

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Re: air boat fast build
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2011, 07:59:46 pm »

Stupid Question  :}

Other than the obvious what is the difference between a Pusher Prop and a Standard prop ?

Ie. If you use a Standard prop and just run it in reverse will it be ok. ?..

Nope!

an "airscrew" (lets get pedantic :-)))  and in our case a fixed pitch Airscrew is designed to work in one particular direction of rotation only, the surfaces of each blade are curved and if you were to take a cross section through a blade it is usually an airfoil section just like a plane's wing (thicker near the leading edge, thinning to nowt at the trailing edge of the blade) so it produces the maximum amount of thrust as it screws through the air, like a wing produces lift.  if you run it in the wrong direction of rotation it will produce thrust (because it has a pitch) but it will be very inefficient.
now
lets look at an I.C. powered plane, engine facing forwards, prop at the front, a "normal" tractor prop is required say it runs anti clock.

that I.C. engine will only run in one direction of rotation (anti clockwise) so if you put it in a pushing configuration the tractor prop will be running backwards.. very inefficient  so you need a "pusher" prop designed to run backwards

in the case of our electric airboats we can reverse the rotation of the electric motor by swapping the supply leads  +/- over and it will run either clock or anti-clock rotation no problem   so if the motor shaft is facing forward use a standard tractor prop, if the shaft is facing aft take the standard tractor prop, keep it facing the same way as if it was on the front, put it on the motor, and reverse the polarity.....

and thats just how Dave's airboat is at the minute :-))


if you are still awake after that :}



can i please have some thunderbolts over Taylor park now! O0



seriously though... anyone who has had owt' ta do with aviation in an engineering sort of way (for the last 37years) can just look at a prop and read a lot of information about what it is fixed too!
db
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