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[irishcarguy]

Hi Dave don't you think Neil is quite brilliant, even more so when he gets some of that paint on himself. Neil thats a poor excuse for not helping out an old friend, A bit of news I might be in line for a 11/2scale Tamar very soon, now to find the loot, I just spent 700 pounds plus on the MS Tamar never thinking the other would come through, will give you a call on the weekend, you too Dave. Mick B.

[Neil]

what you want two for? at different scales as well..........would have thought you would be going for a Slipway Trent or a 1:16 Severn from Speedline to make up the trio at the same scale........
anyway, you don't get off the hook this easily...where's your build log of the MS Tamar ......can't get away from that one matey......... 

neil.

[irishcarguy]

Neil it is 2pm & I can't think of a smart assed answer so I am going to bed, good night all, Mick B.

[Norseman]

Neil it is 2pm [...] so I am going to bed

Oh my! You really do take your afternoon naps too seriously Mick

Dave

[Neil]

he's so whacked making that Tamar he doesn't know night from day

[tt1]

So I've to go it alone then Mick? i.e. no build log from you then.  ..............

           £700! - what gear have you fitted then Mick?

                               Regards, Tony.

[irishcarguy]

Hi Neil I am whacked, it was actually 2 am, I just got up & had some coffee & toast, 9.30am. I hate to let the Tamar slip by as I had a real hassle to get it in the first place. A note for Tony I will PM you on the kit I am fitting. Must get to work I need more money for my toys , Nick B.

[Neil]

Hi Neil I am whacked, it was actually 2 am, I just got up & had some coffee & toast, 9.30am. I hate to let the Tamar slip by as I had a real hassle to get it in the first place. A note for Tony I will PM you on the kit I am fitting. Must get to work I need more money for my toys , Nick B.

You must be whacked matey........you've signed your name as Nick.........or is that the Irish coming out in you, 

[Rottweiler]

 Neil, could you post a picture of your "artists paint stopper " please ? I have googled it and it returns some weird and wonderful things but nothing that I think you mean ? Ta mate!

[Neil]

I suppose it was a funny clumsy way of calling a fabric paint, a paint stopper.....so here it is......it is a liquid paint for specifically painting on t shirts...no brushes used, just the very small nozzle.
neil

[Rottweiler]

Thanks for giving us all another of your secret weapons! Never even heard of it,no wonder I couldnt find it. I thought you were like me Neil, of the old "TIE and DYE" era !
Mick F ( the Cornish one! we have a Canadian one, do we have an Irish one?)

[irishcarguy]

Hi Neil I can't believe I spelled my name wrong, I am putting it down to brass fumes. I still say it is brilliant building you are doing on here & the way you give us information is really very kind of you. I really don't want to pass up on the Speedline Tamar, I really saved in a secret slush fund for it for over a year. If I change my mind I will use the money to buy a milling machine. If any money is left over I will reinforce our bathtub as Dave is coming for a Holiday next year & he does weird things in tubs. LOL.Mick B.

[Norseman]

I will reinforce our bathtub

and while you are doing that will you succumb to your urge to remodel it as a Tamar? (Tamar III)

Dave

[Neil]

I will reinforce our bathtub as Dave is coming for a Holiday next year & he does weird things in tubs. LOL.Mick B.

I don't want to know that,   ....you can get in trouble for that sort of thing..........

[Neil]

It's a little frustrating that the further you get into a build or design, the smaller the part the less you think about it until it's needed and then when you do need it to set off another part, it's not there........it's not bad planning, so I like to think, just an over sight.

A week ago I found I had only 4 w/t hatch handles and so rang Dave for some.........he, on the other hand, only requires two for the Anne Letitia Russell, and so his moulds only spin one at a time........I needed 20.............so with my 4, and 4 he had left over I had to then produce a little mould to supply them 8 at a time....this I did yesterday, and this morning cast myself more than enough for the three boats........

also whilst looking at shots that a friend Glyn had sent me of the "Smuts" of when his father was coxs'n on the boat..........a glaring addition was needed that I had forgotten on all three boats......the support blocks for the Fisherman's pattern anchor which is clamped in stands to the side of the boat. So last night I made those from blocks of obeche and will tonight put the side plates onto them with plasticard.

[Neil]

Well.........I tried putting the end plates onto the support blocks yesterday, and used as I said, plasticard for them, using plasticweld to attach the plasticard to the obeche timber................mistake............
It has worked for me in the past, but sadly it wasn't playing ball yesterday, as every one I tried to trim off, just parted with ease!.....
so I went back to basics and replaced the plasticard plates with 1.8mm ply and used aliphatic resin to bond the two together, and clamped them overnight.........success. they worked fine, and I trimmed them up using my bench sander.
they'll now be liberally coated with sanding sealer and then glued onto the respective boats ready for painting in situ.

so the moral of my story is, and I will repeat it 100 times......."I must try not to be to cleaver for my own good, and when using timber to plastic...don't...use timber to timber if possible and use a timber glue".

[heritorasphodel]

I would hold off on fixing those anchor blocks if I were you...

The original anchor blocks fixed to almost every boat were blocks of timber with a brass sheath wrapped round it and then round the rubbing strake. Some boats, like H. F. Bailey, had one of those at the aft end of the anchor and a simple block fixed to the deck at the fore end.

However, none of the boats we've seen had end plates on the blocks. Photographs of H. F. Bailey and Henry Blogg don't have them, so I assume that F. M. A. M. S. wouldn't have had them.

Andrew

[Neil]

sorry Matey...but you are wrong there on the "Smuts"....here she is, almost straight out the boat yard...with the side plates.And the blocks are no where near the position shown in the plans........so we even have inconguencies between build, builders and plans supplied.

Also, if you read into the history of both the Mary Stanford and the H F Bailey you will find that both boats suffered great damage over their lifetimes on the starboard sides..........and although you are right in saying that the H F Bailey doesn't have the plates now, she might have done as built.
Also I have one starboard side photo of the Mary Stanford which shows the shadow of the raised end plate........so, as I have said before, I'll use modellers License and presume that H F Bailey had the end plates when in her early years......i.e. that period that I am building her as.
There are many modellers that prefer to detail and modify their own boats to suit the boat that they are building at a particular in time, and the basic kit allows that.
I know from talking to the coxs'ns son of the "Smuts" and the photos that he has sent me, that there are 4 (yes four) configurations to the funnel, 3 configurations to the main mast, and he told me at first that there sere no vent cowl at the bow of the boat....but there are in most photos...............so it's impossible to make a kit that will please all persons.........you do the best you can at a period in time that you think is correct........and for these three boats, the end plates on the anchor chocks will stay...........if someone wants to model the H F Bailey as she is now.......a museum piece........then all they need to do is leave them off...............simple as that.However she also had the forward block shaped to fit the belting and not just "on deck" as you say.

Anyway.back to more important things........I suffered the worst bout of Kidney stones I have ever suffered yesterday.ended up at A & E in an ambulance on entenox, the pain was so severe...........so am going to take it easy for a few days...that means I've been banned from the workshop!

[Norseman]

I suffered the worst bout of Kidney stones I have ever suffered yesterday.ended up at A & E in an ambulance on entenox, the pain was so severe

Hey Neil

I feel for you mate - I've bought the ticket and seen the beeping show -and morphine just toned it down a little. No way can it be understood by someone who hasn't had it. My workmates wife has had four kids (with various delivery methods) and she has had kidney stones too - she truly swears the kidney stones made having the kids seem like 5 minutes shelling peas. Get well soon.

Dave

[Neil]

I've never had kids mate...although my belly would tell you I'm due to drop..........but boy , yesterday afternoon I was actually crying with the pain
feel 100% better today!.. cheers.
neil.

[Norseman]

feel 100% better today!

but completely drained eh?  ha, It's the way I tell 'em

Dave

[Rottweiler]

you will have to get the missus to knit you a willywarmer, Neil, It will at least keep your "stones" warm. lol

[Norseman]

Been there, done that, now called fenders in post 456

Dave

[heritorasphodel]

sorry Matey...but you are wrong there on the "Smuts"....here she is, almost straight out the boat yard...with the side plates.

Sorry again, but those are not end plates. Those are the ends of the light coloured block, some were tan and some were grey, with a painted brass sheath on the top. That was the standard fitting.

There are photographs in Nick Leach's book on Cromer of H. F. Bailey arriving on station, and the blocks are visible with no end plates. Also the forward block is not as it is now, but is not like the others either. I can't speak for Mary Stanford, because I have no photos of her, but I am 98% certain that all three had no end plates. I can't see why end plates would be needed, as they are only anchor rests.

Andrew

[Neil]

well, I'm sorry Andrew but they are staying as the are.......if you buy a kit, you don't need put them on to your boat........simples.