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[Neil]

Mick, Dave.......you'll get in trouble thinking aloud like that!!!

[rmaddock]

This sounds like a pistols at dawn matter to me. Decide it properly!  
I decided to model the Hearts of Oak as it is now to avoid just these sorts of conversations.

[Netleyned]

Been there, done that, now called fenders in post 456

Dave

Fenders would be ok for a1/16 scale methinks

Ned

[Neil]

Having thought about this, Andrew, and looked at all the photos I have available..................I shall bow to your comments and take notice of what you say, and will sand the protruding tops of the end plates off........it'll be easier for the modeller anyway.....cheers, neil.

[irishcarguy]

Hi Neil now I know why you warned me of the rivet counters when I decided to build the MS Tamar kit, we get it too with the old vintage British cars, my pat answer is I don't know what year it is but I can sure fix it, like don't do that to the gearbox it did not leave the factory like that as if they were standing @ the factory door watching it leave, my fast answer is do you want it original or would you like it to work. I am sorry to hear about your kidney stones they are dreadful, I have had them 5 times, for some reason the Canadian Prairies have up to 10 times more kidney stone attacks than anywhere else on the planet & I am living proof. Nothing absolute nothing, relieves the pain, my mother in law said child birth was a breeze compared to them.Hope you are back @ the boats soon & thanks again for all the advice & help. Mick B.

[irishcarguy]

I am begining to think that Mick as a dirty mind, but still a lot cleaner than Daves. the other Mick from Canada.

[Neil]

Hi Neil now I know why you warned me of the rivet counters when I decided to build the MS Tamar kit, we get it too with the old vintage British cars, my pat answer is I don't know what year it is but I can sure fix it, like don't do that to the gearbox it did not leave the factory like that as if they were standing @ the factory door watching it leave, my fast answer is do you want it original or would you like it to work.

Well, you know the saying Mick, "you can't be right all the time".......I try to do my best and be as accurate as I can,.......... but when I only have a small snippet of evidence.......I'll bow to greater knowledge than mine.............after all, it is only my interpretation of what the boats look like at a certain period in it's life.
Those who wish to super detail them when they are building their own are quite at liberty to do so..................after all......lifeboats were notorious for a) none of them being the same, and b) never as the plans drawn would suggest........even the builders had their own interpretation on a theme.

So rather than argue a point, I'd rather just get on with it, and for those with a problem of the build, choose whether they would want to buy one when released or not.....there will, as has been with the many that have bought the  Anne Letitia Russell, and the Liverpool class released later this year that will most probably buy (if comments, and interest has shown),there will be many, and that will be my vote of confidence.

Neil

[Netleyned]

How many real life lifeboats were painted with Halfords rattle cans?
Even two identical boats (if there ever were such things) repainted in
different yards would have a slight difference in paint shades due to
how it was stored, stirred and applied.
When we stripped the Charles Dibden down there were different shades of grey,red and blue on her.
As you say Neil its your interpretation of the vessel at the moment in its life that you choose to depict.

Ned

[Rottweiler]

Hear Hear!! and let those who can do better (which does NOT include me) SHOW US, and be prepared for the adverse comments,most totally uncalled for.
Mick F
( I think I have a clean mind...just come out of the shower)

[Neil]

Just don't let this transend into an argument lads............'

cheers, neil.

[Neil]

well, have bit the bullet and sanded the endplates flush and rounded and fitted to the boats in the places shown on photos, not as per plans as on two of the boats the plans show them about 4 - 6' away from the position on photos.

I have also made the rim for around the companionway on the H F Bailey and painted it.

[Neil]

SPOT THE DIFERENCE!!

Recently I have been in contact with the son of the ex coxs'n who served on the Field Marshall and Mrs Smuts and who was also a crew member from an early age.

Apart from the little niggles about certain parts for the boat that now and then get pointed out, one of the main concerns was/is the colour for the steel engine casing just forward of the rear cockpit which carries the funnel on the "Smuts".............they were usually painted a grey similar to the H F Bailey and the Mary Stanford........but Glyn seemed to think that it was varnished timber from memory to begin with.

I pointed out that this part was an integral part of the watertightness of the boat as the steel casing including the water tight door had to stay intact......just at it did in the famous picture of the wreckage of the Fraserbourgh lifeboat after her disaster ........so Glyn went off to hunt for photos in colour, and found two of the "Smuts".....showing the sides of the steel casing a medium brown colour..............so we ( between us) have decided that the top of the casing of the boat is brown......and so I gave it it's first coat of No. 9 Humbrol this afternoon, to match with the edging plates of the forward cabin.

It will need a few more coats, but closely matches the very small areas visible of the engine casing on the colour photos.

And finally , come on Glyn, make yourself known on the forum.......your input has been  very very valuable so  don't be shy join in the fun.
neil.

[tt1]

Looking really smart Neil and am well impressed Hope your ok after your bout of stones, luckily have never suffered from them myself and from what you and other friends have said about the excruciating pain, I certainly don't want too!   Anyway keep up with the excellent work, regards, Tony.

[irishcarguy]

Hi Neil, I have a question for one of your commentators, seeing a picture is worth a thousand words so I would like for Heritorasphodel to show us a picture of his boat or boats that he has built how he has done the anchor blocks, also it is nice to compare different ways that people build their boats, I would assume from his post that he is very experienced @ building the old style lifeboats, me I am having a lot of fun with my Tamar but I would seriously doubt that it would pass the eagle eye of an "Expert". soon I will post it on here & wait for the rocks to fly, just be warned I can throw too.LOL. Mick B.

[Norseman]

I just think we have be a little kinder to people.

If I stump up a dumb idea no body is bothered, yet another guy comes up with a possibly valid point and people get upset.
The model 'is my model' not the 'rivet counters' is a valid arguement, but if we sometimes ask a guy for his advice, then is
it fair not to expect his freely given input too, and to respect it even if we choose to take another path. Sometimes it is very
hard to make a point without seeming pushy - especially in writing a post - there are none of those little hints we take from
voice and body language. ......... and it wolud be a poorer forum without the odd expert coming out to play.

Dave

[heritorasphodel]

Hi, first I have to say thanks to Dave for his point, it is really difficult to say anything without sounding like a knowitall. I may be right in saying that there are people reading these threads who do not comment as they are wary of what people might say. I've certainly read a couple of threads (this is not one of them) where the poster has flatly refused to accept any criticism, and after all, isn't that the point of a forum?

As for Mick's point, I would dearly love to post photos of my boats, but a) the three I've got are nowhere near finished, and b) I have my exams coming up on Wednesday so I don't have time for more than the odd post here and there. If there are any more complaints, give me a few weeks to get them out of the way then I might start a thread for my Liverpool and this argument can continue on there.

After all, someone else's thread is not a place to be having an argument on rivetcounting. Building 3 boats at the same time is probably difficult enough without having to deal with squabbles between posters.

Andrew

[RAAArtyGunner]

 

[irishcarguy]

I will be looking forward to your posts Heritorasphodel, I have a real passion for lifeboats, mostly from Neil encouraging me. I don't agree that that we should be critics of other peoples work , we should encourage people to post as much as possible & a lot of people shy away from too much criticism, ultimately in some cases it causes the loss of a good thread & in some cases the member as well. I would suggest that if you see a member making a serious error & you know 100% & I mean 100% it is an error, PM him/her & in a nice way show them what you think is wrong.If at that time they refuse your advice, stop flogging a dead horse. Few if any of us want to be accused in public of doing things wrong or looking stupid. There are people on most forums that try to make themself look very clever by knocking the work of other members, I would suggest that is not a good way of contributing to a subject on a forum, & I for one lose respect for people that do it, we should be here to help each other @ all times, Mick B.

[Norseman]

flogging a dead horse. 

Hi Mick

According to the forum rules this can only be done in 'Sales' after Andrew makes 25 posts (17 more to go)

Dave

[irishcarguy]

Hi Dave I want what ever you are smoking, you get a little bit funnier & dare I say twisted by the day. It must be all that night work having a strange effect on you, but you are sure quick witted, looking forward to next year, between us we could start a riot. Don't you think though that Neil is really on a roll, what ever happened to the time off because of the kidney stones?, he is back at it in a few hours, now there is hobby passion. Mick B.

[Rottweiler]

Dave is located in Liverpool, and a lot of good comedians tend to come from there.Ken Dodd (the best) They joke when they steal your car wheels  LOL.
Good to see this post is now coming back to a friendly nature,so lets all let Neil get on with his build,and let him and his stones "get satisfaction"
Mick F

[Netleyned]

Hi Mick

According to the forum rules this can only be done in 'Sales' after Andrew makes 25 posts (17 more to go)

Dave

Don't forget Pictures, Price and Location   

Ned

[essex2visuvesi]

Hi Dave I want what ever you are smoking, you get a little bit funnier & dare I say twisted by the day. It must be all that night work having a strange effect on you, but you are sure quick witted, looking forward to next year, between us we could start a riot. Don't you think though that Neil is really on a roll, what ever happened to the time off because of the kidney stones?, he is back at it in a few hours, now there is hobby passion. Mick B.

Im guessing his "stones" are bigger than his kidney stones
I think the only time I ever saw my father cry was when he had kidney stones

[Neil]

Im guessing his "stones" are bigger than his kidney stones

now yer talking.......Stones Green Ginger Wine with Schweppes Canada Dry........now that's a blast from the past, and halcion days canoing, drinking the stuff, and skinny dipping in creeks up northern NSW, oz..........great days.

anyway back to the boat....the last colour brown on the "Smutts was too light so Glyn the crewman sais......so mark three version...this boat'll have more slap and facelifts than Joan Collins, but I'm determined to get the colour right.

[essex2visuvesi]

maybe you should rename it "Joan Rivers"



Is that the time?.... I can see my coat and that sounds like the taxi outside...